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Macon Rounds 
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 Topic: Exhaust into the earth ?????
Posted: Yesterday at 8:13am |
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SteveM C/IL
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Posted: Yesterday at 8:25am |
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A bridge too far for me.
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Ray54
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Posted: Yesterday at 11:34am |
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Not a new idea. Probably in Farm Show Magazine, 5 to 20 years ago I read about this. Very small amount of N might have been more for carbon sequester. The numbers did not seem worth the effort, more a feel good thing, "see I am helping" kind of thing.
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tbran
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Posted: Yesterday at 1:34pm |
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Stop and think - this engine transplant might us a tad more - but a Roosa pump would be putting out 10 gal per hour. Even if it was pumping pure liquid N straight in the ground...so insignificant.
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Macon Rounds
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Posted: Yesterday at 2:22pm |
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What if it's worn and consumes oil ???
Gotta be more beneficial.
Ha ha ha !!!
I agree
It's
Absolutely insignificant.
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Posted: 6 hours 34 minutes ago at 8:28am |
Pew you, mother earth would be pissed. 
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Kcgrain
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Posted: 6 hours 17 minutes ago at 8:45am |
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i think it about as effective as peeing in the ocean to raise the water level.
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DMiller
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Posted: 5 hours 9 minutes ago at 9:53am |
Y'all hit the bent Nail on the Head!!
Yes engines consume air and fuel to create CO(Minimal on Diesel) CO2 and Nitrogen oxides, but the amount that gets sequestered unless pump down wellheads is next to NADA. Absolute A/F Mix for Optimum consumption to power produced is 14/1 so for 20cc of fuel would need approx 280cc Compressed Air and as operating at optimal RPM around 1800, around 150 firing strokes per second per cylinder or about 120-130cu ft Nitrogen Oxygen Carbon per minute. N2 being ~78% of volume would come to 100 cu ft per minute on High End. How many gallons of Anhydrous or direct applied N2 does that equate to? Oh and almost forgot, in the loose soil the gases would perk OUT almost as fast as present IN and creates a Back Pressure concern against HP.
ALL are approximates and guesstimations!!!
Edited by DMiller - 5 hours 9 minutes ago at 9:53am
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AC7060IL
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Posted: 5 hours 3 minutes ago at 9:59am |
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US midwestern Nay sayers might discredit this Aussie’s efforts? Insignificant? I believe not. We may change our minds as time goes? Some of our Midwest is still in a significant drought. Some is ok?
We are never too old to learn. Maybe try to look at the bigger picture?
For starters, his area of the world doesn’t receive amble rainfall like our Midwest is accustomed to receiving. Not even close. Here we have 30-40”/yr with usually high humidity.
Australia Sheep/Wheat Zone: These lower rainfall areas (approx. 300–600 mm/year)(11-27”/yr) experience higher temperatures and higher evaporation, making them prone to water stress, especially during summer.
The earth’s breathable air is 78% Nitrogen, 18-19% oxygen, etc. Also remember that Nitrogen requires moisture for it to be more accessible to soil microbes, & then to crop roots.
So this Aussie (Rob Chambers)is capturing his tractors cfm exhaust that has become more nitrogen enriched(nitrogen molecules split to single atoms of N that combine with carbon chains, small amounts of condensed water, & most oxygen burned off during cylinder explosions) & is pumping it into a moist soil profile where it can be beneficial to his cereal crop. Thats huge cause livestock (sheep) require protein to gain/produce meat(protein). What promotes protein in cereal grains? Nitrogen. Even low doses of nitrogen can promote higher crop proteins for grazing livestock.
Another slight comment the Aussie shares is about free Tstorm rain nitrogen. That’s real for everybody. Unless your area doesn’t get TStorms - like semi-arid Australia. And very significant especially as TStorms systems intensify in areas of the globe that receive them. Google it. Anyway to that end, Rob Chamber’s tractor’s engine cylinder explosions are kinda doing the same.
Edited by AC7060IL - 52 minutes ago at 2:10pm
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TedN
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Posted: 3 hours 53 minutes ago at 11:09am |
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I agree, it does seem insignificant until you listen to his numbers. He thinks he can grow 9 bag oats instead of 15 bag oats using fertilizer, and was happy with 6 bag oats in a drought year. What I can find says a bag of oats is 25 pounds, so about 1.25 bags per bushel. He also uses hectares instead of acres so if my math isn't too far off he is happy with 3 bushel to the acre oats instead of 5 bushel to the acre oats using fertilizer. I really hope I am wrong on my numbers, but at those levels the amount of possible available N he may get converted from atmospheric may be enough to do something.
It doesn't help that the printed line below the video says he is sequestering carbon, I don't think carbon was even mentioned.
In a low rainfall area like that he may also be getting a benefit from the water produced from combustion.
I still don't think it would work on my baling tractor.
Ted
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