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    Posted: 26 Dec 2024 at 1:04pm
2009 Ford Explorer, equipped with ‘band sensors’, two of them have died. Can ‘valve stem sensors’ be used instead of band?
Prices for valve stem sensors range from $30.00 to $75.00 depending on the store. Can only imagine what the price would be for ‘band sensors’, if still available. TIA.
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I would venture a guess that all four will have to be changed for correct communication
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you can use valve stem sensor is they have the RIGHT FREQUENCY... If they are listed as "FIT 2009 EXP" then that should work... You can not use just any sensor as there are several different frequencies over the years....... and read up on the method to RECOGNIZE them on your car.... Some will just match up.. others need to be reprogrammed to RELEARN what tire they are on to match up to the computer.

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Raise your hand if you remember before vehicles had to be idiot proof and you checked your tire's air pressure with a gauge. An economy car could be brought for a couple thousand dollars instead of the $40K and up. Too many fall for the trap the salesmen sell "this is the car you need with all these features". 
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yea... and i use to buy a Coke for a nickle and go the the Movies for $.15 ......

my Grandmother never had to check the tire pressure in the car... because SHE WAS NOT ALLOWED TO DRIVE !........ times change.


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Used to have to take more than one spare tire with you and a patching kit if you were going very far. Times change but it ain’t all bad.
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I've got a Honda mini van I use for delivering honey to my customers. The tpms light came on about 6 weeks Ago. All tires are at 35lbs which is what the book says is ok. The darn thing won't shut off. Well this hunk of junk is going Back to the dealer for more repairs tomorrow afternoon.   Maybe they can figure out what is wrong with the blasted thing. I will never buy another of these problem children again.
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Where my accountant works, they have an F250 that the tire pressure warning activates when the fuel tank drops to half.
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$20 buys a TPMS faker-jammer box so all tires are full....
I looked into TPMS 6 years ago, thought it'd be great for the Kubota,but can't read 2PSI, there's a fairly high minimum,so wondered what if anything the true off-roaders use ?
I don't have TPMS('97 F150 ) ,wife's Nissan does, 2 front snows...no sensors, idiot lights on dash glare.
I'm waiting for the EPA to shut down all cars with sensors 'too low' as it'd hurt Mother Nature  'somehow'......
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Wife’s 2017 exploder and my 2010 Pimpala both have TPMS, both are pretty well garbage, once a month in cooler weather I air the tires with a inline gauge/inflator have had over 30 years. Against a newer actual gauge I use in my old F250 that inflator gauge is within 3#, the car indicators are aftermarket as have failed on average every five years show anywhere from 5-10# variance to the gauge but also change indications every day as to pressure where the line gauge shows steady on, as tried that a few times.

Idiot proof is not what it is but idiot producing as most do not understand removing the caps and trying a old fashion gauge at least once a month.

Add to that the idiots driving thru town, T/S fast flashing and they not only do not understand the other end lamp is burnt out or just broken yet do not take to a garage either. Same three cars and truck I see once or twice every few days been doing that for months. No one takes time to check the lights on occasion to precent incidents, except a limited few as myself. DOT Daily inspect guidelines pretty well engrained.
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Personal Responsibility left years ago! This tire pressure indicator warning was the result of people not being responsible checking tire pressure and rolling their vehicle and surviving or family members suing if they didn't. No one is at fault. And machines can be built that do everything for you until they don't and then you will pay again!
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Anybody that doesn't like TPMS has never had a tire with a slow leak (nail in tire) that the TPMS warned about before I had a blowout on my fifth wheel. Have you ever seen the damage to a travel trailer or fifth wheel caused by a blowout? 

I guess some people would like to go back to when electric starting was an option for a car.
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I have a 2010 and 2013 car/ trucks that both have the sensors... 14 years old and batteries still work... Have had a slow leak on the 2010 car due to corrosion on the bead of aluminum rim and couple times... Nice to be warned in advance...

Eventually the batteries will fail, but they do seem to last over 10 years... many are doing 15 years.
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re: I guess some people would like to go back to when electric starting was an option for a car.

Man that ONE action would get rid of 99.44% of all the IDIOTS on the roads now ! less accidents, cheaper insurance,far less traffic,cheap gas....

count me in !!

get RID of the aluminum rims ,go back to STEEL and we don't 'need' TPMS.
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Originally posted by jaybmiller jaybmiller wrote:

re: I guess some people would like to go back to when electric starting was an option for a car.

Man that ONE action would get rid of 99.44% of all the IDIOTS on the roads now ! less accidents, cheaper insurance,far less traffic,cheap gas....

count me in !!

get RID of the aluminum rims ,go back to STEEL and we don't 'need' TPMS.

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Guy at work was getting a low tire psi warning. Turned out to be the spare tire was low.
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I have a neighbour with the same mindset Jay. He has lost 3 tires that I know of due to not having sensors!! So a cost of approx $1000 roughly. In both steel (winters) and aluminum (summer) tires. Sensors would have cost him 200-300 dollars. I said to him that I could see he was saving oodles of money. Lol. He was kind of mad at me for some reason. He is a no maintenance type of guy. I do brakes for him when he phones and says "I am hearing a strange grinding noise". 
In my own case I am a maintenance nut. Everything is always done before it is needed. Tires always aired up. In the last 5 years or so sensors have saved 2 tires for me. One this summer on the way back form Ottawa. Warning came up showing rt front at 20 psi. All were set at 36psi. Watched the pressure all the way home. Car on hoist to check, found nail and plugged. Probably would have lost that one if not for sensors.
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Originally posted by ACinSC ACinSC wrote:

Guy at work was getting a low tire psi warning. Turned out to be the spare tire was low.
Wonder what car that was? I have two vehicles here with tire displays. Shows four wheels only. 
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Some cars / trucks have full size spares.. At work we  fixed and bad tire and put the spare on.... When FIXED tire came back we mounted it as the spare... YEP... now the SPARE has the sensor...... that normally dont happen with the smaller donut spares...
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Originally posted by PaulB PaulB wrote:

Raise your hand if you remember before vehicles had to be idiot proof and you checked your tire's air pressure with a gauge. An economy car could be brought for a couple thousand dollars instead of the $40K and up. Too many fall for the trap the salesmen sell "this is the car you need with all these features". 

I do!!
We actually acquired a 1991 F-350 this past October, the turn signal lever actually is used for ‘turn signals’. There is the pull-out switch on the dash for headlights, a switch on the dash for the windshield wipers, and the button on the floor for ‘high beam/low beam’, it’s great.
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What I HATE about wife's Nissan is the radio comes ON at whatever volume it was when it was shut off !

That is a SERIOUS safety issue for me. There's a random 4-10 second delay between starting the car and the radio scaring the hell outta me

Also the 1-0 button doesn't turn OFF the radio,nor does spinning the volume knob....

BTW I've got a brand new floor mounted headlight hi-low switch for a  '67 Mustang or Cougar sitting on the shelf.
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Serious safety issue? I know I shouldn’t ask, but I gotta know, what hair raising situation can you get yourself into within 4-10 seconds of start up? Especially since…well….. should have learned something by now.   
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There is certainly a lot of junk on the new cars that we do not need. The tire sensors are a reasonably good feature. Don't like them - don't use them. SmileSmile
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Originally posted by jaybmiller jaybmiller wrote:

re: I guess some people would like to go back to when electric starting was an option for a car.

Man that ONE action would get rid of 99.44% of all the IDIOTS on the roads now ! less accidents, cheaper insurance,far less traffic,cheap gas....

count me in !!

get RID of the aluminum rims ,go back to STEEL and we don't 'need' TPMS.

I would tend to agree, be nice to have the roads filled only by those with the aptitude to get the thing fired up of a morning & keep it running (and those forgetting to retard the timing would either learn right quick or be on the bus also!).

TPMS is one of the better "idiot light" uses in my opinion though, can catch a slow puncture and save a blowout as mentioned. Still not something I'd rush to add to our old cars unless it was a lot more robust & cheap, for the cost of a set of sensors I could replace all the rubber on 4 cars (including a spare for each) as I have a good source for part worn.  

Definitely would be more inclined on something heavier or faster than our old diesel Citroens, but they pretty much only need 3 good wheels to drive anyhow lol
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I think we should have to do a lot more Saturday valve jobs too! I mean c’mon man! If you don’t know how to do a valve job you’re an idiot that doesn’t deserve to be on the road!
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Originally posted by Tbone95 Tbone95 wrote:

I think we should have to do a lot more Saturday valve jobs too! I mean c’mon man! If you don’t know how to do a valve job you’re an idiot that doesn’t deserve to be on the road!

We're headed back that direction if I'm honest, what with these new-fangled GDI engines needing de-coked LOL

You do bring up a fair point even in jest though, mechanical sympathy & knowing at least the basics of how a vehicle works is a pretty big factor in road safety I think. 

Taking tyre pressures/TPMS as an example, if more folk understood the reasons for keeping pressures correct (beyond "it saves fuel/money/pollution") then there'd be less blowouts & the associated damage/losses/accidents in general because not only would those without functioning TPMS actually tend to keep an eye on their pressures but also those WITH the system in working order would be much less likely to just ignore the light if it illuminated on a trip. (if folks can drive round oblivious to their fast-flashing t/s for half a year then you bet your behind they don't pay too much mind to the idiot lights on the dash either, as long as the thing still moves).


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My grandfather use to think if a car ran 60- 70,000 Miles, it was a MIRACLE ... Now if you dont get 300K your PISSED !
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Originally posted by steve(ill) steve(ill) wrote:

My grandfather use to think if a car ran 60- 70,000 Miles, it was a MIRACLE ... Now if you dont get 300K your PISSED !
exactly! I remember the first time my parents had a car turn 100,000. They celebrated it like a miracle. Sheesh, I bought one last year with 124,000, figuring it would get me by for three or four years!
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Other than rusting to hell and gone, my 99super duty has 341000 on it. That 2010Impala I detest has 176000. Both have had big failures but neither stayed down long.   Biggest downside is parts are thinning.
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Hay Steve, bet your grandfather didn't have to fork out $100K to replace his car at 60,000 miles !!!
I remember driving pop's 77 caddy to North Bay(6hrs...), towing a '57 Willys Sedan Delivery  when it went 100,000 mile ! Next day came back with '57 Willys Pickup(overloaded with 'spares' ) using same homemade towbar. Kinda miss them all ,sniff,sniff.
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