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Rusty Allis 
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Posted: 13 Aug 2020 at 3:49pm |
holy hell... went to go get some roundup total vegetation killer (for around walls that are a PITA to deal with) 125/gallon locally  guess the real question is, what do you guys use that kills stuff dead? going in a 25 gallon sprayer mounded on a ATV. last time i bought a gallon of it (2 years ago?) it was like 45/gallon and that was concentrate too. not opposed to using a home brew, you know like gretta thunburg tears, wombat piss etc, just want something that works and kills everything
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 13 Aug 2020 at 3:57pm |
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I use the Generic Glyospate.... like 43%...... buy at Farm Store for about $50. for 2.5 gallons......... at least it was 2 months ago.
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Posted: 13 Aug 2020 at 4:05pm |
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I've been working with the same 2.5 gallons of 41% Glyphosate for 2 years. I add some methylated seed oil as an adjuct that helps it spread on the leaves and cuts through waxes and mix it a big stronger than the directions. You can use dish soap instead. That doesn't get through the waxes, but is a decent spreader.
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Posted: 13 Aug 2020 at 5:06pm |
Back when I was using my pesticide license, I learned that the dry formulation (round up quick pro dry) killed faster, and has no worries of ever freezing or separating. Of course, the down side was that it is more expensive... 
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Posted: 13 Aug 2020 at 6:24pm |
On Sale for $23.99 CAN. for 5 litres at our local TSC in Ontario. https://www.tscstores.com/WEEKLY-FLYER.aspx
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Posted: 13 Aug 2020 at 8:19pm |
 HoughMade wrote:
I've been working with the same 2.5 gallons of 41% Glyphosate for 2 years. I add some methylated seed oil as an adjuct that helps it spread on the leaves and cuts through waxes and mix it a big stronger than the directions. You can use dish soap instead. That doesn't get through the waxes, but is a decent spreader.
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interesting you bring this up. I have read you can use dish soap as a surfactant but never tried, as I was always afraid to have a huge jug of suds behind me  is this advantageous to do? or is the seed oil a better bet? what ratio do you mix in either case? thanks for the tips, i will check out TSC as i have one not too far. i assume it works pretty good? (the TSC stuff) i about shat myself when i saw 125/gal but it was at my local hardware store who quite honestly, is very competitive with bigger places. i do a lot of business there but that seemed pretty steep
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Posted: 13 Aug 2020 at 9:48pm |
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I saved some calcium chloride from tires and spot spray
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Posted: 13 Aug 2020 at 11:14pm |
The price on Roundup brand is due to the lawsuits against Monsanto. Generics do not seem to be affected.
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Posted: 14 Aug 2020 at 5:38am |
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As a side note, what are you using to help with hard water when spraying. I did some fields and had about 60-80% kill. Someone mentioned that it was due to our hard water and the chemicals adhering to the minerals in the water and not going into the plants.
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Posted: 14 Aug 2020 at 6:51am |
Charlie175 wrote:
As a side note, what are you using to help with hard water when spraying. I did some fields and had about 60-80% kill. Someone mentioned that it was due to our hard water and the chemicals adhering to the minerals in the water and not going into the plants. |
Back when I was spraying full time with my job, my mix was glyphosate, non-ionic surfactant and Sequester (Hefty Seed brand). The sequester helped stabilize the pH in the water.
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Posted: 14 Aug 2020 at 7:18am |
I use generic roundup, pioneer I think, then add some mohave, (a soil sterilizer) mix in water before dumping in tank, and then dump in a couple gallons of bleach, but wear respirator while dumping contents in tank, unless yoou want your lunch on ground. make sure yoou are upwind whle spraying. I used this recipe to whipe out a patch of bamboo years ago, but note it will also do a 40 year old oak tree.
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Posted: 14 Aug 2020 at 7:21am |
$125 a gallon?  At what, Lowe's or something? Any feed stores/ mills around? Round Up Powermax for me this year was $38 per gallon, and that includes a surfactant already in the concentrate. "Generic" Gly-Star was approximately $17, but you needed to add the surfactants, and use a little more, so per acre was about a wash in cost.
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Posted: 14 Aug 2020 at 9:16am |
Rusty Allis wrote:
HoughMade wrote:
I've been working with the same 2.5 gallons of 41% Glyphosate for 2 years. I add some methylated seed oil as an adjuct that helps it spread on the leaves and cuts through waxes and mix it a big stronger than the directions. You can use dish soap instead. That doesn't get through the waxes, but is a decent spreader.
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interesting you bring this up. I have read you can use dish soap as a surfactant but never tried, as I was always afraid to have a huge jug of suds behind me
is this advantageous to do? or is the seed oil a better bet? what ratio do you mix in either case?
thanks for the tips, i will check out TSC as i have one not too far. i assume it works pretty good? (the TSC stuff)
i about shat myself when i saw 125/gal but it was at my local hardware store who quite honestly, is very competitive with bigger places. i do a lot of business there but that seemed pretty steep |
I use a 4 gallon backpack sprayer for this sort of thing. I use 1 teaspoon per gallon of the soap or methylated seed oil. Both work, the MSO helps the glyphosate work a little faster, but not enough to worry about. It's real advantage is if you are spraying weeds with a waxy coating on the leaves, basically anything with shiny leaves.
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Posted: 07 Mar 2022 at 6:18am |
poor man's roundup
jug of vinegar, cup of table salt,4 caps of dish soap. mix well, apply After dew is gone and before high noon
kills everything INCLUDING bindweed !
I can't legally use roundups...
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Posted: 07 Mar 2022 at 7:53am |
jaybmiller wrote:
poor man's roundup
jug of vinegar, cup of table salt,4 caps of dish soap. mix well, apply After dew is gone and before high noon
kills everything INCLUDING bindweed !
I can't legally use roundups...
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"Poor man's", eh? What kind of vinegar? I would think White Vinegar would be the cheapest, no? Just looked: Meijer grocery, $2.69 per gallon. I spray 20 gallons per acre. I would assume if you dilute this like 95% water 5% vinegar, it doesn't work so well? Not to mention, kill my crop! That would indeed make me a poor man. This year is going to be pretty interesting financial wise farming, but let's call this year a flier and go with typical. I usually spend about $20 per acre spraying. Adding some tank mixes for tough stuff, maybe $25. So, if I dilute your stuff, 50-50, still $26.90 plus the salt and dish soap.....and nothing will grow? Will it work at 50-50?
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Posted: 07 Mar 2022 at 8:46am |
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I think the big question is " what are you spraying it on ".... If your killing grass and weeks along the fence line, then most any concoction will work... If your spraying roundup ready beans / corn in a farm field, then you want the RIGHT stuff.
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Posted: 07 Mar 2022 at 8:52am |
White Vinegar( 'food grade') is 5%, used as is. Only $2 for 4 litres( probably 3.78... 1 us gallon). It's a heckuva lot cheaper than Roundups......
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Posted: 07 Mar 2022 at 9:11am |
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Will the vinegar brew kill poison ivy? Have some in my garden around the asparagus and rhubarb. Wouldn't want to kill those too.
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Posted: 07 Mar 2022 at 11:19am |
jaybmiller wrote:
White Vinegar( 'food grade') is 5%, used as is. Only $2 for 4 litres( probably 3.78... 1 us gallon). It's a heckuva lot cheaper than Roundups......
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Maybe....you didn't answer the question of how concentrated it has to be! Your concoction makes no mention of water! I put a quart of roundup in 19.75 GALLONS of water, for about $10 per acre. And I'm comparing PowerMax brand name roundup! For supply store / generic stuff, I would bet you could do more with $5 worth of it diluted and used properly than you could vinegar.
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Posted: 07 Mar 2022 at 11:20am |
steve(ill) wrote:
I think the big question is " what are you spraying it on ".... If your killing grass and weeks along the fence line, then most any concoction will work... If your spraying roundup ready beans / corn in a farm field, then you want the RIGHT stuff. |
Well yeah! But....what if I want to burn down a field? No crop in it yet. And how long before something will grow? And besides......it's fun talking to jay about this kind of stuff.
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Posted: 07 Mar 2022 at 11:46am |
re: you didn't answer the question of how concentrated it has to be!
whatever it says on the jug ! You do NOT water it down, use at full strength, which I think is 5%. You dump a cup of salt into the jug of vinegar, mix really well, then add few squirts of dish soap, mix really well, pour into sprayer, then use after dew is gone and before high noon.
If you want really,really cheap 'vinegar', buy a 45 gallon drum of acetic acid, then dilute it to 5% (same as grocery store bought vinegar). dilute to 10%, then it'll be twice as strong as store bought.
BTW ...It kills EVERYTHING..it is NOT 'selective'.
we got stupid laws up here... I can't use 'roundup' but golf course can...
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Posted: 07 Mar 2022 at 12:48pm |
jaybmiller wrote:
re: you didn't answer the question of how concentrated it has to be!
whatever it says on the jug ! You do NOT water it down, use at full strength, which I think is 5%. You dump a cup of salt into the jug of vinegar, mix really well, then add few squirts of dish soap, mix really well, pour into sprayer, then use after dew is gone and before high noon.
If you want really,really cheap 'vinegar', buy a 45 gallon drum of acetic acid, then dilute it to 5% (same as grocery store bought vinegar). dilute to 10%, then it'll be twice as strong as store bought.
BTW ...It kills EVERYTHING..it is NOT 'selective'.
we got stupid laws up here... I can't use 'roundup' but golf course can...
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Which is what I thought, which EASILY proves my point that Roundup concentrate is actually cheaper to use for my price, which I would presume is close to the price most guys on here pay, not Crazy Canuckville prices.
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Posted: 07 Mar 2022 at 12:50pm |
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When diesel was $.30 per gallon, we use to mix Roundup with that to spray fence lines and driveways.... no water.
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Posted: 07 Mar 2022 at 12:59pm |
As I said though, I can't USE Roundup....agin the law up here, also can't USE 2-4D either. Welcome to Canada,eh !!!
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Posted: 07 Mar 2022 at 1:13pm |
jaybmiller wrote:
As I said though, I can't USE Roundup....agin the law up here, also can't USE 2-4D either. Welcome to Canada,eh !!!
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Posted: 07 Mar 2022 at 2:57pm |
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We can use Roundup here in Alberta. Must be an Ontario thing
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Posted: 07 Mar 2022 at 3:07pm |
Yeah ,lovely Ontario.... Any golf course can use ANY amount of tap water and chemicals... ...'regular' folks have huge restrictions.
NOT agin the law to import, buy, store 2-4D,etc..just USING it...
currently getting fresh crop of 'white nitrogen' as I type though..... ..thanks to the man and his 'machine'....
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Posted: 07 Mar 2022 at 6:46pm |
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Maybe you need to to the paperwork to declare your farm as a golf course.... :)
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