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shameless dude 
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Posted: 05 Nov 2020 at 8:35pm |
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but not leaving the driveway! a lady that works with my old lady....oooops....i mean my loving wife was sent home from work today to begin her 2 week quarantine foe covid. and since she sat within 5 ft of Dee, it might be that she'll hafta stay home too real soon! PffffffT! anyways, i spose i gotta gits the fifth wheel outta storage and park it in the driveway, one of us will hafta stay/sleep in it. i told her i would. only thing is, i'll need electric out there for heat. not sure if the furnace works, never tried it. i have an electric shut off on my pole, what do i need to ad a 30 amp hook up for the camper? i'm gonna have an honest to goodness electrician do this one, i don't like that big of zaps! will prolly have an extension cord (30 amp) run from the pole to the camper cord. not sure how long the camper cord is yet, will hafta measure it when i get it pulled out! PffffffT! i might be nipp'in out on this deal!
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desertjoe
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Posted: 06 Nov 2020 at 4:44am |
OH Gosh,,Shameless,,,I be hoping Ms Dee doesn't have to isolate,,,but "YOU" will have to be overly cautious due to your underlying conditions. My older brother, the Doctor in Milwaukee, has given us a daily regimen of : 2000-4000 IU Vitamin D, 40-50 Mg Vitamin K2 (not just vitamin K,,has to be vitamin K2), 40 Mg Zinc, Calcium 1000 Mg (can substitute extra strength Tums, 750Mg). So, the gist is, the Vitamin D fights the virus but it also stimulates the body to release calcium from stored areas like bone. Without vitamin K2, the calcium is deposited in arteries in the heart, brain, intestines.The Zinc helps an enzyme called superoxide dismutase fight the virus. The calcium helps balance the calcium needed. I was just talking today to a dear friend who is in management at the hospital in the town south of us that her oldest daughter had the Covid and they suggested almost the very same regimen for the rest of her family. Stay safe, my friend,,,,  Everybody else,,,feel free to discuss this regimen with your PCP . It appears that this dang virus is starting a second spike all over the world,,,,,,????
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Lars(wi)
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Posted: 06 Nov 2020 at 5:33am |
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Joe, very similar to what the Mrs and I have been doing.
For us, we do 50mg zinc, Vitamin D3, Vitamin B 100 complex.
I have not heard about that specific vitamin K, will add it to the list.
So far, everybody in the family has stayed healthy. Don’t personally know anyone that has contacted the Wuhan virus.
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 06 Nov 2020 at 8:54am |
they make little gray electric boxes with a throw off switch on them.. open up and you get one or two 30 amp breakers... Thats what they use on outside air conditioner systems... Electricain will probably just mount one to the electric pole and jumper up to the main.
Get a box like they use at the RV campground and you will have the plug sockets built in. Park close enough that you dont need an EXTRA extension cord.
Edited by steve(ill) - 06 Nov 2020 at 9:00am
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Posted: 06 Nov 2020 at 2:54pm |
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Any chance of getting him isolated ALL winter? Like no old snow? Na. Dale hoping everything is ok with you and yours!
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Dave in PA
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Posted: 06 Nov 2020 at 3:09pm |
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One thing about 110 volts, doesn't matter if it is 15 amp, 20 amp, or 30 amp, it all hits the same, now 220 volts, no thanks!
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Posted: 06 Nov 2020 at 3:48pm |
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If your not going to be running the Air Conditioner you don't need a 30 amp plug. You can run everything else on a standard 15 amp circuit on a 15 amp adapter. I use my camper all the time when I get spring fishing visitors. I don't even move it mines stored out side my shop. Just trip the AC and electric Water heater breakers. Put the slide out and plug into a heavy extension cord under the shop roll up door.
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Posted: 06 Nov 2020 at 3:56pm |
Joe I can tell you from experience that 40mg of zinc is too much I have taken a 15mg zinc supplement for years but when I started taking it I was taking 30 and 40 and after around 9 months started not feeling good all the time cut back to 15 and all is good haven't been sick in years. Too much zinc not so good long term OK for a while.
copied this from everyday health .com
Here are the daily zinc requirements based on age: (2)
- 0–6 months: 2 milligrams (mg)
- 7–12 months: 3 mg
- 1–3 years: 3 mg
- 4–8 years: 5 mg
- 9–13 years: 8 mg
- 14–18 years (boys): 11 mg
- 14–18 years (girls): 9 mg
- Adult men: 11 mg
- Adult women: 8 mg
- Pregnant teens: 12 mg
- Pregnant women: 11 mg
- Breastfeeding teens: 13 mg
 desertjoe wrote:
OH Gosh,,Shameless,,,I be hoping Ms Dee doesn't have to isolate,,,but "YOU" will have to be overly cautious due to your underlying conditions. My older brother, the Doctor in Milwaukee, has given us a daily regimen of : 2000-4000 IU Vitamin D, 40-50 Mg Vitamin K2 (not just vitamin K,,has to be vitamin K2), 40 Mg Zinc, Calcium 1000 Mg (can substitute extra strength Tums, 750Mg). So, the gist is, the Vitamin D fights the virus but it also stimulates the body to release calcium from stored areas like bone. Without vitamin K2, the calcium is deposited in arteries in the heart, brain, intestines.The Zinc helps an enzyme called superoxide dismutase fight the virus. The calcium helps balance the calcium needed. I was just talking today to a dear friend who is in management at the hospital in the town south of us that her oldest daughter had the Covid and they suggested almost the very same regimen for the rest of her family. Stay safe, my friend,,,, Everybody else,,,feel free to discuss this regimen with your PCP . It appears that this dang virus is starting a second spike all over the world,,,,,,????
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Posted: 06 Nov 2020 at 7:14pm |
Is 30 amp the same as two phase? I had an RV hookup in the garage when I bought this place, I've used it for heat / AC, and I've used it for a welder hookup for my old Miller, never actually had an RV.
AFAIK it's just one of those 'twin' breakers for the current breaker box, and appropriate cabling, mine is a socket mounted on a board with a tail of about 15 feet that feeds out the bottom of the breaker box.
Edited by Coke - 06 Nov 2020 at 7:16pm
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 06 Nov 2020 at 8:10pm |
House current is SINGLE PHASE... You have TWO HOT WIRES that have 240 volts between them ( like the dual 30 amp breaker that COKE shows)..... You have a third wire that is NEUTRAL ... If you go from ONE HOT to NEUTRAL, you get 120 volts..
Your welder and RV run off 240 v SINGLE PHASE ( but dual breakers of 120v each ) ... like DAVE said, you can run a 120v extension cord to the RV for lights and plugs if you turn off the hot water and furnace..( if they are electric).
That "dual breaker" type (240v) is used for electric furnace, electric stove, electric water heater, electric cloths dryer, etc ............. the SINGLE BREAKERS (120v) feed the misc wall plugs around the house and garage.
Edited by steve(ill) - 06 Nov 2020 at 8:15pm
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Posted: 06 Nov 2020 at 8:18pm |
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and 30 amps 240v is a little LIGHT for a welder.. Should be at least 40 amps ... most will install a 50 amp to be safe............. the 30 amp plugs are for the dryer, kitchen stove and RV
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Posted: 06 Nov 2020 at 9:09pm |
steve(ill) wrote:
House current is SINGLE PHASE... You have TWO HOT WIRES that have 240 volts between them ( like the dual 30 amp breaker that COKE shows)..... You have a third wire that is NEUTRAL ... If you go from ONE HOT to NEUTRAL, you get 120 volts..
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Interesting, you have two phases, 180 degrees out of phase, and you call it single phase. I'm not arguing with you, you are correct, the text books say it is called single phase. US power has many peculiarities. And don't worry my breaker is indeed 50A, my Thunderbolt is happy, but the outlet was sold to me as a RV hookup.
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 06 Nov 2020 at 9:33pm |
You dont have two PHASES, you have two LEGS... The PHASE is a SINE WAVE that moves 180 degrees as you said... If you had TWO PHASES, you would have TWO SINE WAVES that were out of PHASE with each other.
50 amp is GREAT !
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Posted: 06 Nov 2020 at 9:42pm |
Most POWER PLANTS put out 3 phase power on grid -- ( poles running around the country)... they have 3 HOT wires and a neutral.... If it take ONE HOT wire and a neutral ( and drop the voltage to 240v in a transformer), then i have HOUSE CURRENT, Single Phase.
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Posted: 06 Nov 2020 at 9:50pm |
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Posted: 06 Nov 2020 at 11:03pm |
Many R.V.'s use 30 amp 120 volts 3 wire, single pole breaker, Hot Neutral/white or gray and Ground/green. Many electricians don't realize this and wire it 120/240 volt. Which will cause major problems.
Retired electrician and RV owner, Dusty
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Posted: 07 Nov 2020 at 12:35am |
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if i get an RV hook up outside, i'll want one enough to run the AC during the summer, only gonna do this once. then i'll have it. i just need a 30 amp for my fifth wheel, that will run the AC together with the lights. we don't use the hot water heater nor furnace and it don't have a refridgerator, they are all gas/elect. i'm sure i'll hafta de-mouse it too! lol glad i didn't take the hitch off my flatbed yet! guess i'll hafta pee outside, i don't know if the tanks are heated. this is gonna suck...i just know it!
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Posted: 08 Nov 2020 at 7:52am |
My fifth wheels al have had the 1250 (I think it is). Any hoo, I have been plugging my fiver into the 30 amp wall outlet in the garage direct with an adapter and have not thrown a breaker for 20 years now.
I agree though that if you gotta run new wire go with the 30 amp.
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Posted: 08 Nov 2020 at 8:28am |
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Actually Steve, are the lines coming in from the transformer to my house are 2-120 volt, and 1 ground? I have followed the wire trail ( from ground level of course), and it appears that way to my untrained eye. I don’t see a neutral, every other pole or so, that 3rd wire goes to ground, am I correct?
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Posted: 08 Nov 2020 at 8:30am |
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As for 30 amp RV, yes only 1 hot, 1 neutral, & 1 ground
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Posted: 08 Nov 2020 at 9:00am |
Yes, there are 3 wires coming into your house.. , HOT - NEUTRAL- HOT........ on the POWER COMPANY SIDE, the Neutral and GROUND are the same wire ........ In your house at the Electrical Box they ARE THE SAME WIRE... on the OUTLET side of your electrical box, going to the wall plugs, you have a BLACK (hot) and a WHITE (neutral) and a BARE ( ground) ......... basically the GROUND is a SAFETY wire... inside the MAIN breaker box the WHITE and BARE are connected to the same GROUND lug.
And dont confuse AMPS with VOLTS... most wall plugs run back to a 20 amp breaker ( 120v)... the plugs in my garage run back to a 30 amp breaker ( 120 v).. I do this so I / son could run two skill saws or grinder at the same time......
The 240v circuits go to the larger load appliances... Cloths dryer and kitchen stove and water heater are 240v , and normally 30 amps ( could be 40) . Welder in the garage can be 40-50- or 60 amps depending on the length of run and size of the welder. You may have a lathe or air compressor that is 240v and only need 20 amps.. So AMPS are not determined by VOLTS..... Look in your fuse box.. If you have a DOUBLE BREAKER (two tied together) that is a 240v breaker...your AMPs may vary depending on appliance.
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Posted: 08 Nov 2020 at 9:02am |
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ALso if you look at your electric POLE, you may see a bare ground wire bigger than 1/8 inch running DOWN the pole and into the GROUND... That is the GROUND wire and up above it is connected to the NEUTRAL.
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Posted: 08 Nov 2020 at 9:15am |
120 v breaker design
240 v breaker design
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Posted: 08 Nov 2020 at 9:22am |
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That’s what I thought, a 240 volt appliance (dryer, oven, etc.) years ago was wired 120v, 120v, neutral/ ground. Nowadays it’s 120v, 120v, neutral, separate ground, correct?
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Posted: 08 Nov 2020 at 9:57am |
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YES... If you look at a NEW 240v plug for the dryer or stove, it will have 4 PRONGS on the plug instead of 3. They are separating the ground and neutral on the NEWER STYLE plugs.... and you should have 4 wires running to it... Older house have 3.... Ground +neutral = ONE
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Posted: 08 Nov 2020 at 12:11pm |
Shameless, I've a medium size camper that is setup with 30A, 110 Volt single phase. Has odd looking oversized 3 prong plug on end of its extension cord. Larger RV's like with washer/dryer and/or 2 AC units on roof are 50A, 220 volt single phase. The 2 Cords I've got are 25' and 30' but have seen 50' advertised. When you talk to electrician show him the cord you use, IF he doesn't know what it'll need to hookup to your wiring find another electrician. Good luck with your quarantine. I wired mine up to my Pole bldg last spring so could stay at farm in comfort for days at a time. Used the box like Steve shows, readily available at most big box stores.
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Posted: 08 Nov 2020 at 2:46pm |
Wish you were closer, I'd help you.
Retarded electrician, Dusty
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Posted: 08 Nov 2020 at 7:44pm |
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Funny, the guy that wired our shed was Dusty too.
Steve, hope you increased the wire gauge for the entire circuit you put that 30A breaker on, else you'll catch fire!
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Posted: 09 Nov 2020 at 1:14am |
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thanks ya'll! this info helps me alot! i'll try to catch an electrcian monday or sometime this week and have him take a look. been busy doing outside projects while weather is nice, finally got the new deck steps done this evening. other steps lasted about 44 years, they were quite weathered. made the new ones with landscape timbers and 2x10's. also gonna check the "machine" over before i gotta stand out in the cold and do it! lol
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Posted: 09 Nov 2020 at 3:00am |
Ya know,,Shameless,,,,your untiring dedication to pleasing your friends is beyond,,,,,,well,,beyond anybody's imagination,,,, Thas Good,,,NO!,,I mean thas bad,,,Chit,,you take your pick,,,, 
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