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Watewr in Oil f 190 ?

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    Posted: 05 Jun 2019 at 7:08pm
I am pretty sure i have anti F /water in  my  oil  !   Ugh   what should i do  short of a rebuild  ?   head gasket sealer if  so  which one ?   Ground  pepper   ?   please mke suggestions . thank you 
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Sell the tractor. You already want to bandaid fix it then fix it correctly
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DSeries4 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jun 2019 at 8:41pm
Don't panic yet.  Find out how it is getting in to the oil first and go from there.  Ground pepper is a band aid.  If you want to keep the tractor going for a long time, fix it right.
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Most likely sleeve orings. Rebuild with new sleeves and cut third oring groove between the two.      MACK
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...and to check it out...drop pan and put at least 7# pressure on cooling system...you can back feed system through overflow tube...don't blow it up! A sleeve oring will start dripping
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Adding any sealer in the radiator will only block the cooling passages in the radiator, and will most likely not fix a leak.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DaveKamp Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Jun 2019 at 10:01am
I'm pretty sure I have a piece of metal in my finger.  Should I cut my arm off, dance around a burning tire, put a band-aid over it, or commit suicide?

'pretty sure' is not good enough... first in identifying character, second, in volume. 
Furthermore, one cannot make appropriate decisions on path of treatment before knowing sufficient information.

Don't start the engine... push or pull it around to do the following:

Get a steel drain pan, clean it out GOOD.  Clean enough to eat lasagnia out of.  Put a magnet in the bottom of the pan.

Clean up the engine and oil pan with degreaser and a pressure washer.

Pull the drain plug, and drain the oil.  Watch it flow, notice the color and texture of the oil.  Drain it all.

Now take that pan, and LOOK at the contents-  first, the volume.  Did you get seven quarts from a five quart pan?  if so, there's two quarts of SOMETHING in there.

Water and anti-freeze will settle to the bottom of the pan, but SOME will make the engine oil assume a 'chocolate milkshake' identity.  Ethylene Glycol coolant will smell sweet.  Under a black-light, you'll probably SEE plumes of glycol as it sorta binds together.

Pour off the pan little-at-a-time to a clean storage container, and as you get closer to the bottom of the pan, you may find more water or coolant.  Observe.

IF you want to really know (if it isn't really obvious), you can take samples of the oil and send it to a lube analysis lab to determine not only if there's water or anti-freeze, but wether there's aluminum, tin, copper, antimony, brass, lead... and frequently, if you identify the make and model of engine and/or machine, the lab will be able to tell you the most likely source of what was found in your sample (they can tell you, for instance, that the presence of one particular type of steel particle, and another aluminum, and a little of brass, indicates that there is exessive binding causing wear in your Buick 455's oil pump wear plate and oil pump drive shaft...

But you'll probably be able to see most of the contamination with your eyes.

If it doesn't smell sweet, or look green... it is probably condensation, not coolant.  Condensation tends to accumulate by environmental circumstances, and the way this spring has been, I'd be surprised if you DIDN'T have some condensation (my tractors all did!!!)

If it IS coolant, leave the pan off, and put a few pounds of pressure on the radiator cap with a test kit... turn the engine to TDC #1, and thread a compression test gauge into the plug or injector port, and see if pressure in that chamber comes up.  Repeat for all the rest.  While that's happening, see if you get coolant dripping out of the pan.

IF you see pressure coming up on a given cylinder (or two) that means you have a head gasket issue, or a cracked cylinder head.  A leakdown test on an offending cylinder may cause coolant to be discharged into the oil areas in the same way, but you'd need to release the cooling system pressure and observe for bubbles... which may take a while to propogate to the radiator cap, so be patient.

Find out what the problem really is, before taking action.  This saves you from amputating a leg over an ingrown toenail.


water in  my  oil  !
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Another quick test, for a head gasket, o-ring or a crack, is to pull the plugs and spin the engine. Usually a leak that gets water in the oil, will throw water/coolant, out of the offending cylinder.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DougG Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Jun 2019 at 1:53pm
Geesh some of these guys are trying to be so funny , just shows ignorance ,, yeah cut your arm off ,then another- bandaid ,, sell it ,,   duh duh, cant believe these responses,, best thing to do is find the problem , id say Mack is right , probably sleeve O rings ,, these are easy to work on ,, keep us informed
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