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Hunt4Allis 
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Posted: 16 Feb 2019 at 10:51am |
What can anyone tell me about the attached picture of front loader I'm going to put on my CA? I'm looking for lift capacity and if anyone knows the maker of this? Also if anyone would know the maker of it if they would have a operating manual for it or any other kind of information would be greatly appreciated, thanks Matt 
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Lon(MN)
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Posted: 16 Feb 2019 at 2:11pm |
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My vote is Midwest loader
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Posted: 16 Feb 2019 at 5:02pm |
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I agree also that the loader pictured is not an Allis #8 loader for a CA. As for lift capacity, I have a #8 CA loader and with a properly functioning hydraulic pump it will lift near to 1000 pounds. However when lifting that much it is impossible to steer.
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Posted: 16 Feb 2019 at 6:35pm |
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Awesome, thanks guys
Keep the information coming!!!
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Posted: 16 Feb 2019 at 6:37pm |
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I plan on using this on my 51' CA to clean up hay dropped by my cows a couple times a year( nothing heavy and don't plan on over exerting it's limits...)
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Posted: 16 Feb 2019 at 7:49pm |
The CA w/ #8 loader with both the loader and tractor hydraulics in good condition would surprise you on lift capacity. More than once my father would baby rocks out across plowed/disced ground that were big enough that the front tires were nearly down to the rims. Big man and he stood on the drawbar to cross the field so he could raise the loader over a five wire fence to dump it. We had one of the last ones off the line and it was our only loader tractor on a 500 acre dairy. No rear weights, just loaded tires and it could "buck" out rocks far bigger than you would think that little tractor could.
Only put one engine clutch in it and never had to touch the Lambert clutch. Still running today and never went farther than five miles away from our place. Full set of cultivators, belly mounted mower and 2-bottom plow also. Dad mowed hay with it and surprisingly pulled a Vermeer crimper at the same time in Timothy/Alfalfa. One of the best A-C made . . . .
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Posted: 16 Feb 2019 at 8:09pm |
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Ok, I don't know how strong hydraulics are on the loader itself yet but I think my AC CA pump probably needs some help/ rebuilt.
It does operate but leaks out of cap/ dipstick area( soon to have correct cap)
From there I think I should drain all fluid as the cap last owner had on it wasn't tight and he left tractor sit out( I'm sure in rain) so fluid coming out of where dipstick cap should have been is milky looking when operating hydraulics now and I need to get specs on amount/ type/ and procedure to replace old with new oil...
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Posted: 17 Feb 2019 at 12:54pm |
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I don’t know about that loader, but it looks similar to the Allis #8 loader, but not the same. The manual for the #8 loader said the lift capacity was 1500 lbs. Your loader may have similar ratings.
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Posted: 17 Feb 2019 at 4:32pm |
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My CA had an allis model 100 loader it would lift a 1500 lb round bale. It was very hard to steer with that much wieght. The gravle bucket full was about 800 lbs and you could manauver. Any more and the tires would flatten. I kept 22 lbs of air in the front tires and when they would squat your lifting about as much as you want to move around. I had wheel wieghts and tire chains about 400 lbs on each rear. You'll run out of traction and stability long before you run out of lift capacity.
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Posted: 17 Feb 2019 at 4:49pm |
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I think I should try and get new oil in her rear end/ hydraulics pump since it's milky looking first.
My next step needs to be getting the pump set screws set where they need to be, and then I'll need to know from someone on here how the different positions of handles affect how this pump " should work" b/c I'm unsure on a CA what's considered " normal pump/ hydraulics operation...
Any info would be greatly appreciated, thanks Matt
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Posted: 18 Feb 2019 at 6:07am |
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Posted: 18 Feb 2019 at 11:42am |
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Could someone confirm the normal operation of one of these as used on a CA?
I'm told it only raises on hydraulics and has a cable to trip the bucket?(so I'm picturing this setup as I'm using it to clean up hay from behind my barn)
Drive into loose hay left on ground from cows, hydraulic lift up, back up tractor, trip bucket to dump load, then what?( Need to get off tractor to rest bucket into locked position to get next scoop, then lower bucket back down, drive bucket into pile to get next scoop?
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Posted: 18 Feb 2019 at 11:43am |
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Reset bucket
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Posted: 18 Feb 2019 at 12:04pm |
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Lower the arms and drag bucket in reverse. It should latch if adjusted right. Lift clear and go get another bucket full.
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Posted: 18 Feb 2019 at 12:05pm |
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Ok, I was hoping it could be that simple...
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Posted: 18 Feb 2019 at 12:10pm |
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It is a balance of weight around the pivot, there is a chance it may rotate back and latch when the load is dumped out.
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Posted: 18 Feb 2019 at 12:51pm |
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Gotcha!
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Posted: 18 Feb 2019 at 7:07pm |
Your probably leaking oil out the FILL hole on the transmission/ hydraulics because the rain water leaked in and went to the bottom and oil floats... Also the suction tube is now in the WATER and that's why the hydraulics don't work. Drain the oil/ water thru 3 different plugs ( like 1/2 inch pipe plug) on the bottom of the transmission, differential, and hydraulics.. It should be about 8 quarts.. Use something like Hy Trans, Universal Tractor fluid, or some other 20 wt type oil. ... Stroke the cylinders and they should eventually cleanup as the pump starts getting good oil.. The system is HYDRAULIC up, and then FLOAT down.. one way hydraulics.. You need the PTO shaft to be engaged before the hydraulics work.
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Posted: 18 Feb 2019 at 7:21pm |
 Jim.ME wrote:
It is a balance of weight around the pivot, there is a chance it may rotate back and latch when the load is dumped out. |
It will latch itself most times, IF it has the proper return spring on it.
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Posted: 18 Feb 2019 at 7:50pm |
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Ok, sounds good
Thanks for all the information guys
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Posted: 26 May 2019 at 8:34pm |
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Hi Matt. I know this post is a few months old, but if you see it could you post some pics showing how it connects to the tractor? Thanks!
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Posted: 29 May 2019 at 12:39am |
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Hmmm, I have it at home but need to attach it to my ca still...
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Posted: 29 May 2019 at 5:55am |
just a caution here... be sure to closely inspect the front rims for hairline fracture near the mounting holes !!! one D-14 here 'lost' BOTH front rims. I suspect years of overloaded,turning while stopped stressed the rims to the point where they both broke. Turning while stopped or going dead slow is a strain on rims !!! Also check the bolts !!
I don't know if there was an option for 'heavy duty - loader use' rims was available.
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Posted: 29 May 2019 at 8:34am |
Hunt4Allis wrote:
Hmmm, I have it at home but need to attach it to my ca still... |
The subframe has hanger brackets that bolt to the outside of the front edge of the fenders. The subframe slides into those and bolts to the cultivator bracket on the sides of the engine. This is not my tractor. I have a number 8 Freeman, but have never mounted it on my CA yet. Probably never will. 
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Posted: 29 May 2019 at 9:56am |
A word of caution to all who use loaders. Do Be Careful!!! We lost two valued customers whose tractors A CA and A WD rolled when using a loader. Remember the center of gravity for the tractor goes up as the loader lifts so that even a small chuckhole can "flip" the tractor. We need all the AC people we have. Be Careful Good Luck! Bill Long
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Posted: 29 May 2019 at 11:07am |
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Remember the diameter of the cylinder will determine the weight a loader will lift at the proper set pump pressure. The larger the cylinder piston the more it will lift.
The volume of the oil or gallons of oil per minute put out by the pump determines the speed of lift.
I have 9 plastic injection molding machines from 175 tons of clamp pressure to 400 tons of clamping pressure. All machines have a 2000 pound maximum oil pressure setting. The larger the tonnage the larger the pump volume not higher pressure.
Edited by Dick L - 29 May 2019 at 11:25am
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Posted: 30 May 2019 at 9:15am |
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Great reminder, Bill. We must never forget about how dangerous these "cute little tractors" can be/are.
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