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    Posted: 27 Aug 2018 at 6:49pm
I'm looking at a D-19 gas, wide front, unknown hours, poor rear tires, snap coupler. All tin work is in very good but faded condition. Transmission is good according to owner, does not jump out of gear. Appears there may be some oil leaks, nothing major. Tractor has been sitting in shed for several weeks and very little oil underneath. Priced in low 3's. (3250.00) May be a little negotiable. Going to take it for a "ride & drive" tomorrow. Any advice re: the tractor or price - appreciated.
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D19 is a sought out tractor especially if it’s in good condition. New tires are going to set you back some cash depending on size. If it runs good, not a gear jumper, good clutches(main and power director) then the price isn’t out of order. $2,500 would be a good buy. Oil leaks are common for 50+ year old tractors. Some leaks are an easy fix, oil pan gasket is much harder. But they can all be resolved. I have replaced the sump gasket twice on my XT trying to get it to completely stop. It still leaks around the bolts so I live with it that way. It’s a worker on the farm and although it annoys me it not that bad. Now the steering ram is leaking so that’s next. Lol, I still love working on it as she gives me few issues for all the hard work she delivers.
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We had a D-19 on the farm and it was an upgrade from the 17s and WC we were using before. Drank a lot of gas. Today I feel the D-19 is too big for the guy with a 1/2 ton PU to haul around to shows and such. Guys with bigger trucks and trailers shouldn't have any issues. Too big to mow the lawn and too little to farm with is what I have heard more than once. They can be expensive to rebuild as the sleeves can be hard to find
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720 man , have you replaced the big and little O ring on the adapter plate ? that's where the most oil leaks happen
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$2,500...ouch. have sunk about $3k into ours over the past three years. Hope to nurse another 58 years out of it. Good luck with your find and post some pics if you can.
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I have the piston & sleeve kit for the d-19 gas so not a problem.
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D19 gas was my very first allis tractor, and it got me hooked on allis, if that tells you anything. If it's not a gear jumper, I'd pay 2,500 to 3,000 for it, given what you've said about it. Darrel
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And another thing, you don't have to buy brand new tires for it. I needed a set of 18.4 34s for my one ninety gasser. Put a want ad on bis-man online and got lots of responses. Ended up getting a very descent matched set like new for 800 bucks for both, plus 150 to get em mounted. Darrel
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Originally posted by Pat the Plumber CIL Pat the Plumber CIL wrote:

We had a D-19 on the farm and it was an upgrade from the 17s and WC we were using before. Drank a lot of gas. Today I feel the D-19 is too big for the guy with a 1/2 ton PU to haul around to shows and such. Guys with bigger trucks and trailers shouldn't have any issues. Too big to mow the lawn and too little to farm with is what I have heard more than once. They can be expensive to rebuild as the sleeves can be hard to find

Weight is an issue if it is just for show as you mentioned. If it is just to pull a round baler and stays on the farm then the weight can be a plus.

With the prices of old restored tractors crashing hard often they go cheap at estate sales if not of interest to any of the family. It is better to buy one that has new tires, paint, etc $$$ wise unless one is just looking for an expensive project. 
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I've had a D19 gas for years and mine has the front crankshaft driven hydraulic pump which gives it live hydraulics a huge plus when doing many things. But for $3000+,
regular hydraulics and poor tires I wouldn't come close to paying that for another
D19.Especially with the snap coupler as not a lot of snap coupler equipment around
these days for that large of a tractor.My opinion you can get a much more useful tractor for that kind of money plus buying tires.With a gas tractor that size it won't take long for the fuel bill to eat up any savings you'd have over buying a diesel.BTW last D19 I saw sold was pretty much like the one you described but had pretty good tires and
bought $2100,I bid $2000 and thinking about it on the way home I was just as glad I didn't
get it.
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cousin just sold his on an auction (he's retired) D19 diesel, bought new by his dad, good tin, ad on 3 pt hitch (on snap coupler), wide front, real good tires, always shedded, not a gear jumper, sold for $1250. I was just sick!
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I love old iron and that is the only kind that I have. The fact remains a new set of tires, an injection pump, etc may cost more than the old tractor would bring at a good auction. Sadly today old iron is still an wasting asset that is or will become a money pit. I am coming to the point of asking should I get another old tractor for them to deal with when I die.
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Originally posted by Gale Hawkins Gale Hawkins wrote:

I love old iron and that is the only kind that I have. The fact remains a new set of tires, an injection pump, etc may cost more than the old tractor would bring at a good auction. Sadly today old iron is still an wasting asset that is or will become a money pit. I am coming to the point of asking should I get another old tractor for them to deal with when I die.


The more tractors at your estate auction the bigger the crowd will be,so keep buying(LOL)
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My thoughts: 
Is the tractor going to help you make an income over it's lifetime of you having it with the reasonable maintenance required? 

BTW, how'd you do with driving it today? 


Edited by Jim Hancock - 28 Aug 2018 at 7:56pm
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Yes DougG, I replaced those also. Even put Indian head sealant on the bolt threads hoping that would solve the leak. It helped but didn’t solve it completely.
As far as the D19 above, sometimes we just really like a particular model and purchase it even after hearing some thoughts from others. I bought my XT when others may have walked away from it. She needed a lot of work but I knew going in many of the issues I was facing. Made 2 trips back to make sure that I was willing to commit to the project. I had always wanted a XT and had been searching for several years. Every tractor has those who love it and those that don’t. A perfect tractor has never been built, although some are pretty close especially in their time period. My cousin still kicks himself for selling his D19, said it did everything he asked of it. At least you know up front they like gas, Dads D15 does also when under load, but it’s one of our favorites on the farm. If you like it, see it’s short comings, and you are willing to get your hands dirty, go for it. I know I’m glad I bought my XT, she was a lot of work, but I got the tractor I had always wanted and she rewards me every time I fire her up and hook to a piece of equipment. In many ways, I purchased an upgraded D19. Good luck
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Many of the things I like or decide to purchase aren't going to make me a living, or even be considered a good investment by many others. Its a passion. Its something that every time you look at it or drive it or turn a wrench on it, you get that weird fuzzy feeling inside. Sure, you will have a hard time justifying putting a lot of money into something that may not bring even close to what you may have into it, but isn't satisfaction and pride worth something? There may only be a handful of people that feel like you do about a particular machine. But the bottom line is, what is it worth to you for something that makes you happy? You just have to be realistic about what you can afford.
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I agree as well with you, Kerry. 
That warm, weird, fuzzy feeling every time you get on it and the joy that it brings operating it. 
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Originally posted by KerryM KerryM wrote:

Many of the things I like or decide to purchase aren't going to make me
a living, or even be considered a good investment by many others. Its a
passion. Its something that every time you look at it or drive it or
turn a wrench on it, you get that weird fuzzy feeling inside. Sure, you
will have a hard time justifying putting a lot of money into something
that may not bring even close to what you may have into it, but isn't
satisfaction and pride worth something? There may only be a handful of
people that feel like you do about a particular machine. But the bottom
line is, what is it worth to you for something that makes you happy? You
just have to be realistic about what you can afford.


Very well said. Darrel
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Originally posted by Gary Burnett Gary Burnett wrote:

Originally posted by Gale Hawkins Gale Hawkins wrote:

I love old iron and that is the only kind that I have. The fact remains a new set of tires, an injection pump, etc may cost more than the old tractor would bring at a good auction. Sadly today old iron is still an wasting asset that is or will become a money pit. I am coming to the point of asking should I get another old tractor for them to deal with when I die.


The more tractors at your estate auction the bigger the crowd will be,so keep buying(LOL)

Our families are not into estate auctions as far as I know about in the last 100 years.

A bass boat may not give a return on investment. :)

While from an accounting point of view old tractors may not make sense but neither do bass boats for most buyers. 

The cost in time to just get together the parts can be huge. Our 1948 B uses the 2.5" block/freeze plugs. I found a box of 10 for the same price as buying 3 from one source. Search on Dorman 550-032. NAPA did not have them in their system so the guy told me to Google for sources. The cork plugs in each end of rocker arm are 11/16 diameter. 

The shop owner did the tear down and I chase the parts and machine work then get everything clean and he puts everything back together in our case. Most shops are not into taking on these kinds of task just because few want to pay their shop rate for researching for 70 year old parts. 

I want to get all of our old iron up in good shape while the parts and skills are still around. 

Some are hoping for a revival of old iron but with good restored tractors selling for much less than their last restore price tag not sure that is going to happen. At 67 with arthritis damage I have to keep in mind how dangerous old iron can be if it is actively used or just being loaded and unloaded for show events.  Hopefully the 22' tilt trailer we just picked up works out. I can not or will not manage ramps for many reasons. 

The D19 was a large tractor in its day for sure. 


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Originally posted by shameless dude shameless dude wrote:

cousin just sold his on an auction (he's retired) D19 diesel, bought new by his dad, good tin, ad on 3 pt hitch (on snap coupler), wide front, real good tires, always shedded, not a gear jumper, sold for $1250. I was just sick!


When and where was this auction? I must’ve missed it...
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