Allis Chalmers C clutch issue

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   I am new to posting here, but have enjoyed reading the helpful forums.  I have a 1948 Allis Chalmers C.  I replaced the clutch disk and pressure plate as well as the bushing-i know i should probably having replaced throwout bearing too, but is is good n tight.  The bushing was sanded to allow to spin as was very tight when first installed so it does spin and should not be binding.  Fingers are adjusted to 1/4 inch from throwout bearing as indicated in books and online.
The tractor cannot be put into gear when running as clutch does not appear to disengage.  I can start in gear and tractor will hold still,  but then cannot shift to other gears except first to reverse super fast as it quickly begins to rotate after out of gear even with clutch pedal still in.  
If everything is measured and at the proper settings can someone please tell me what I may be doing wrong??
Any help is greatly appreciated.  Thank you.

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Johnniewb1 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 29 Jul 2018 Location: New York Points: 21	Post Options Post Reply Quote Johnniewb1 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Allis Chalmers C clutch issue Posted: 15 Aug 2018 at 7:16pm
	I am new to posting here, but have enjoyed reading the helpful forums. I have a 1948 Allis Chalmers C. I replaced the clutch disk and pressure plate as well as the bushing-i know i should probably having replaced throwout bearing too, but is is good n tight. The bushing was sanded to allow to spin as was very tight when first installed so it does spin and should not be binding. Fingers are adjusted to 1/4 inch from throwout bearing as indicated in books and online. The tractor cannot be put into gear when running as clutch does not appear to disengage. I can start in gear and tractor will hold still, but then cannot shift to other gears except first to reverse super fast as it quickly begins to rotate after out of gear even with clutch pedal still in. If everything is measured and at the proper settings can someone please tell me what I may be doing wrong?? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you.

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PaulB Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Rocky Ridge Md Points: 5044	Post Options Post Reply Quote PaulB Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 Aug 2018 at 1:51am
	To get the correct release of the pressure plate as well as free pedal the fingers need to be set at 1/8”.
	If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere. Real pullers don't have speed limits. If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY

Johnniewb1 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 29 Jul 2018 Location: New York Points: 21	Post Options Post Reply Quote Johnniewb1 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 Aug 2018 at 6:05am
	An 1/8, ok I will gladly try it. Every where I had looked said 1/4. I appreciate the help and will try this tomorrow night as I won't be able to today. Thank you again!

Dick L Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Edon Ohio Points: 5087	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dick L Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 Aug 2018 at 7:58am
	I would guess you put the clutch plate in backwards. Seems to happen often with newbies to clutch replacement.

Johnniewb1 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 29 Jul 2018 Location: New York Points: 21	Post Options Post Reply Quote Johnniewb1 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 Aug 2018 at 8:14am
	The clutch disk seemed to only fit one way, one side had a larger 'hub' I will say-so it would only fit with the larger side towards back of tractor. Does that sound correct? One side the hub was about an inch or more if i recall and yhe other side was about 1/2 that. If larger side hub was placed towards front the pressure plate could not be bolted back on as it stuck out way past bolt holes. Thoughts?

Dick L Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Edon Ohio Points: 5087	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dick L Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 Aug 2018 at 9:29am
	That sounds correct! They can be bolted in the wrong way though. When they are bolted in backwards the clutch plate is always under pressure on one side regardless of the position of the clutch pedal. Edited by Dick L - 16 Aug 2018 at 9:34am

Johnniewb1 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 29 Jul 2018 Location: New York Points: 21	Post Options Post Reply Quote Johnniewb1 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 Aug 2018 at 10:20am
	I hope it is in correct-it honestly looked totally wrong when tryingvlarge side in. Everything lined back up nice , I can't say I want to split it again Any other thoughts? Going to adjust fingers as told above, just don't get why it will hold in gear, but cannot be put in gear when running.

Rick Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Jonesburg,Mo. Points: 3690	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rick Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 Aug 2018 at 11:25am
	Disc in backwards...bent disc...1/4" is correct as far as the book states, but you might have to adjust the fingers a tad closer to the bearing, in order to reach them to let it disengage. Don't really know how many times the flywheel has been resurfaced, so...every time you resurface it, the fingers get further from the throw out bearing...a tad at a time! LOL! Rick

Gerald J. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Hamilton Co, IA Points: 5636	Post Options Post Reply Quote Gerald J. Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 Aug 2018 at 1:06pm
	Shop manual may help http://geraldj.networkiowa.com/Trees/Allis-Chalmers-G-B-C-CA-Service.pdf Gerald J.

Johnniewb1 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 29 Jul 2018 Location: New York Points: 21	Post Options Post Reply Quote Johnniewb1 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 Aug 2018 at 6:37pm
	I have 3 manuals including parts break down schematic, but absolutely appreciate the download manual and read clutch section in there. Confirmed it is installed correctly as the wording was better than any of my manuals. I hope nothing is bent as everything is brand new except the fly wheel. New starter ring installed last year on it and was good then, was not resurfaced, just cleaned and checked. I will adjust fingers to an 1/8 to compensate any other wear. Will post tomorrow night ig it works. Any other help is still appreciated and thank you for help so far.

Johnniewb1 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 29 Jul 2018 Location: New York Points: 21	Post Options Post Reply Quote Johnniewb1 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 Aug 2018 at 7:51pm
	Well asjusted with no change. Clutch holds tractor if started in gear and when in gear if you depress the clutch it holds and stops. If tractor is taken out of gear or started out of gear the clutch does not dis-engage. I am concerned about adjusting any closer than an 1/8 as that doesn't leave much room. Any other thoughts or help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you again.

Rick Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Jonesburg,Mo. Points: 3690	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rick Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Aug 2018 at 4:32am
	At this point there's nothing else to do, so just take it back apart and see what's going on. Bent disc or disc in backwards...Rick