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    Posted: 10 Aug 2017 at 11:05am
My equipment hauler is having a difficult time getting a route to delivery my HD16. It has an 11' wide blade on the front (hydro) and getting a route approved by DOT due to all the Michigan road construction is causing a problem. Blade does not tilt on its own but my question is this.

1. how hard to remove blade to get load under 10'?
2. Does a stock blade have a manual tilt? I have seen some that you can disconnect one of the rails and
    manually push or screw the blade to one side or the other. Not sure if my blade has that option but thought
    one of you might know. there appears to be adjustment capabilities on the blade arms but never looked to
    see if blade had a pivot point in the middle of the backside of the blade?

sorry for the rash of questions recently however its been 3 weeks and still fighting to get my new baby shipped.
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Blade mount would be the other problem if inside arms or outside - then if it's a U arm blade carrier it might be just say a foot shorter than the blade itself . Either way reducing the tractor to one without blade should be easier to do then the full oversize permit thing. 

 
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Jerbob, Did you buy this crawler sight unseen? or seen some pictures or did you go look at it first???
  Any place on the web to see this crawler or do you have some pics??/
Look like this?
Straight dozer blade. Pound the pins out of the blade and lay it on the deck under the crawler.  Narrows it down to the U frame... Now if not narrow enough, remove caps and now the frame can be set up on one side and straped and chain so it can't move with bracing.


 A better look at blade attachments, not much better but... a second view.


Here is an angle blade, pull pins on side arms and pull center pin and blade is free... lay on deck. Pull caps amd and pins on the u Frame and do as above. will need something to set on lowboy that can handle the weight.


This is a cable lift straight blade. Pretty simple. Nice restoration.


Here is a cable lift with the angle blade.


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Hey JC(WI)

Yes it did see dozer 2x. Checked UC, track, all fluids, hoses. No frame damage or welds, Hydro straight blade but no Hydro angle or tilt. I saw on the arms what appeared to be adjustment points but did not see a pivot point to manually tilt or angel the blade. Not to say that is just didn't notice however.

Ran the machine and all controls work as expected, 3000 actual hours, engine dry as dust, no oil, or grease visible and machine has not been cleaned or power washed. Was impressed overall with the unit. Paid, 10,500 for it. its a HD16DC and the serial number shows up as a 1961.

All that said I did ask the owner about a manual angle capability and the said it was not set up. Your pics are great and thank you very much.

I was mostly concerned about how difficult it was taking off the blade. Owner has a large Loader that would handle it and at my place I have a Bobcat 863 that should be able to get it off the lowboy.

Really appreciate the pics JC. Very nice to see the different blade options. I for sure will be sharing pics when I get her home. Its getting her home that has been the challenge due to all the road construction going on in Michigan. Hauling quote could go from $900 as it is today plus permits to 1400.00 in a blink of an eye due to added hours and miles.
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Thank you very much Coke-in-MN.

Good points. Arms are on the outside. NOT a cable unit. Straight blade with no tilt or angle.
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If you look at the photo you can see vertical braces from the push beam to the top of the blade... look close and you will see a horizontal brace from the push beam to the center of the blade... that is for side load support......... it does not tilt or angle... just a brace.
 


Edited by steve(ill) - 11 Aug 2017 at 11:27am
Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Go it. I looked up the installation book on attaching the blade both hydro and cable and saw that as well. Blade set up for angle is very visibly different than a straight blade which I have.

My 16 came with the complete original parts book, operators manual, blade install manual and the shop manual for both field repairs and shop repair. All original with the dozer from owner.

thank you. As soon as I figure out how to attach pics i will do so. when I click on the box above to send pics it is telling me folder is too big.
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pic posting from your file manager needs to be less than a 1000 pixels wide...
 And posting from other websites will look like the first photo above showing the HD16 oversized and having to slide the bar to see all of it, will be accepted but for most it is nice to down size so it fits the page.  Some use 640x480... Sometimes I use 980x740 or so.
Here is what It should have looked like in the post if I had 'adjusted it. LOL was 2048 x 1707 now 820 x 683


Not hard to post pics once ye learn the tricks Wink   LOL
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Hahah,, I still can't get it to work. I will keep playing with this.
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A blade question not covered in may manual I have. Just curious on two grease points on my blade. if you look at the pics you sent, you will see at the top of each brace where the brace connects to the blade, there are what look like packings. They are round and each side has one and each one has a grease fitting. is this just a vibration point or pivot point that gets greased. Cannot find where or what is called. Mine hadn't been greases since 1980 I'm guessing based on their look and how hard I had to work to get them to take grease.

Just curious what they do and what they are called.

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I am not a dozer guy. I have operated a couple of small ones in the past but never owned one. From my observations of the various pictures it looks as if the braces to the top of the blade on some of the machines was designed to rotate with an internal screw that could change the length of this brace to change the vertical pitch of the blade. Just a guess as to why there are grease fittings?
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Well that would make sense Don BC. There does appear to be a threaded option on the brace arms. There is a great fitting mid arm on both sides. The arms attach to a hockey puck shaped hunk of metal with bolts around its circumference. A grease fitting those as well. I got them to take grease and it squeezed out around the middle of each of these things.

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those are the blade adjustment arms.  like big turnbuckles they adjust the tilt of the blade forward and back if you adjust both or adjust one to tilt blade up or down to one side.  like this machine.  grease is needed on the threads inside and on the pivot points on each end.




Edited by CAL(KS) - 30 Aug 2017 at 12:45pm
Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20

Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15
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Cool. thank you Cal(KS)
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Equalizer braces? The diagonal from frame to top of blade... used for setting angle of blade, and for putting a twst to the blade to lower one corner to make a ditch, or a cut on one corner of blade... to cut a groove in the ground to start making an angle cut... to run one track in to make long cuts. I believe its called 'winging'. 
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Great. Getting better all the time.

No real intention of using that feature but I will for sure have it on the list of times to clean up and get freed up. If it should move and adjust,,, then it will when I am done with it.

I do see a Lincoln stick welder and cutting torches in my future.


Thank you JC(WI)

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If you have not welded much set down with someone that has and learn 7018 stick welding. You will be much appreciative when you do well with that rod.
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Great advise and thank you DMiller.

What is 7018 stick welding? Is that a specific rod used for old steel or just a common description for that type of welding.

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The 7018 is type of welding rod,the best of the common rods on high carbon steel.


About the brace on your blade,that is where a hydraulic cylinder is placed on newer blades to tilt the blade side to side. In the days of cable lift on blades it was more important to lean the blade forward or back to bit in better by turn both the same way.
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Going through all the paper work and books that came with my 16, I found one manual for just the blade. install instructions for cable and hydraulic blade. Shows how to put them on, and what all the parts are called and for. You boys know your stuff. You were correct on all counts. Those braces can be adjusted as you indicated and this metal round pieces at the end of the braces and at the top of the backside of the blade are basically ball joints to allow the braces to move when and if you adjust the angle of the blade.

Same manual has a section for the Model 75 winch on the back. Servicing it, installing it and adjusting it.

Pretty cool. Thank you everyone.
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The 7018 is a 70,000 lb rod. When welding hard steel it's best to preheat what you are welding. If welding a large piece it's a good idea to put a cool down blanket on it. 6014 is a 60,000 lb rod and works well for mild steel, and general purpose welding.
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Thank you Leon. Wow do I have a lot to learn. This will be going into my archive on welding tips and facts.
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