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Model B Carb issue

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    Posted: 01 Oct 2016 at 8:48pm
Hey guys I am back and still have not figured out the problem on my B.  I will start off by saying it is a zenith carb with only the idle mixture adjustment.  I bought a new sediment bowl and valve to make sure there wasn't something in the valve that was letting debris through the line to clog the carb.  I start the tractor and runs like garbage.  It is getting WAY too much fuel and I cant figure out how to stop it.  I've adjusted the float all over the place.  Originally I started at the recommended 1 5/32 float level from the manual, and I have gone all the way down to 1 9/32 and it is still running so rich that it is blowing black smoke and fowling plugs.  3rd set of brand new plugs and this time I bought autolite 295s like I was told to.  Besides rebuilding the carb, I have had it apart more times than I can count to clean it.  And I have cleaned every possible orifice that I can find.  Also, the idle mixture screw continues to be worthless in changing anything at idle, no matter what I do.  I can turn it in the whole way or take it the whole way out and it does absolutely nothing.  And I have tried adjusting it with the linkage rod held against the stop so the governor doesn't get in the way.  I cannot get the well vent out of the bottom part of the carb, but I made sure that it is free and have cleaned it out so that I can spray carb cleaner down it and see it come out in the bowl.  I so disgusted with it and I just cannot figure it out, despite all the recommendations and help I've received so far (I greatly appreciate all the help by the way).  I have good compression on every cylinder, good spark,  and getting fuel to every cylinder (way too much). Also, after I start it and turn it off, I can only start it again if I drain the fuel out of the carb bowl.  And even then it starts really hard.  Hopefully somebody has something in mind that will fix it, as I am about at my whits end with this thing.  Thanks
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Time for a Marvel-Schebler? I've never had trouble with mine. 
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is it possible that your carb has the wrong main jet installed in it?
I know at 1 point I had installed the wrong main  jet and it smoked black smoke a lot. 
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remove the air intake hose??   Dose the carb flood when not running??
Please repost your findings.   Allen
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If it is actually running that rich (and the oil bath is not connected) it can only get proper fuel past (idle) thru the main (non adjustable) (jet/orifice.  That would mean the hole in it is larger than your engine needs to run properly.  The needle you are adjusting is for idle only. When above idle it has no effect which you have proven. You can clean and adjust until the cows come home and it will not change the hole/orifice in main power (above idle) jet. 
The only thing that will make it run properly is to order the proper jet. That is the only way to adjust a (non adjustable jet) is to change it.


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sounds like your needle and seat in the carb, or your float is rubbing on the side of the carb and binding.... if you flip the carb over and blow in the fuel inlet it should stop fuel flow... that's why your idle screw doesn't do much. could also be rust/fuel contamination from the tank messing with your needle and seat. ensure all passages are clean, you can use a propane torch to carefully get the hard to reach ones unplugged, I use solvent and air first and torch as last resort....nothing wrong with a zenith carb, I think they are better than a marvel any day.
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The idle screw doesn't do anything if the engine isn't running at a slow enough idle( low vacuum pressure). Dick might tell you what RPM to look for here? I'm sure it's probably slower than most people have an engine running when they can't "get the idle adjusted".
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I know how frustrating this is, as I encountered the same issue a few weeks back only to find that I had not re-installed the venturie, it fell out when I was cleaning the carb and never noticed so kept rebuilding it minus the venturie, also installing the venturie up side down will cause the same effect your having.
Only advice I can give seeing as you have tried just about every thing is to borrow a carb off some one and try it, at least that way you will know if its a carb fault or something completely different
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I didn't know it was even possible to put the venturi in upside down on that carb. I will check it out. Thank you


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You might try taking off the filter rain cap and look inside to see how many dirt dauber apartments are in there. It can be amazing how much dirt they can pack in there. I think I must have gotten a double hand full out of mine. It still might be a good idea to pull all the wire out through the bottom of the canister and clean them up. They come out in sections. Don't be to rough with them and they'll go back in fine.
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Originally posted by CTuckerNWIL CTuckerNWIL wrote:

The idle screw doesn't do anything if the engine isn't running at a slow enough idle( low vacuum pressure). Dick might tell you what RPM to look for here? I'm sure it's probably slower than most people have an engine running when they can't "get the idle adjusted".

He obviously don't want my advise.  I would guess that someone tried to clean the power jet with a drill bit that was to large rather than remove it.  Without grinding a standard screwdriver to have a wide, thick enough blade then  ground narrow enough, the brass slot gets boogered up and has to be drilled and removed with an easyout.  I have rebuilt several that is what happened. It is where people do not understand what they know about things.
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