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Posted: 18 Mar 2024 at 4:34pm |
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My "B" came with a NAPA filter on it. The guy I got it from owned it for 40 years. I just kept using NAPA filters because why rock the boat?
However, I was reading another thread on this forum (too old to reply to) and people were saying the NAPA ones weren't tightly wound and the oil pressure would be low.
My last NAPA filter, my oil pressure was on the "A" in "NORMAL" and on my current NAPA filter it's on the "O." Makes me wonder. I did order a Wix I could put on right now.
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Posted: 18 Mar 2024 at 4:39pm |
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NAPA filters are made by Wix.
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Posted: 18 Mar 2024 at 4:48pm |
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NAPA filters are made by Wix. |
Hahaha! No way! 
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Posted: 18 Mar 2024 at 4:54pm |
resurrection20 wrote:
dkattau wrote:
NAPA filters are made by Wix. |
Hahaha! No way! |
Yes WAY!
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Posted: 18 Mar 2024 at 4:56pm |
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And NAPA cost $10 more. Highway robbery.
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Posted: 18 Mar 2024 at 5:10pm |
NAPA USED to be a good place to buy decent parts at a competitive price.
I recently stopped in at our local NAPA to buy a NAPA Gold oil filter for my truck (2021 F-350 Powerstroke). I was told over $60 was "my price" which is supposed to be a discount. I came home and ordered 2 Motorcraft (original equipment) for $18.99 each from Amazon. I now have filters for 2 oil changes for less than the price of one NAPA Gold filter.
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Posted: 18 Mar 2024 at 5:20pm |
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yup, I bought 3 wixes online for less than ONE at the local NAPA that is 7 minutes from me.
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Posted: 18 Mar 2024 at 5:29pm |
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In my very small town, there's just the one store- NAPA and they give a 20 percent discount for AAA members. All the NAPAs around me are part of locally owned chain of like 10 franchises or something and their main store is in the state capital, so I feel like I'm spending money locally. They're fairly competitively priced. There is an O'Reilly's in the next town over that's usually cheaper, but I've found NAPA parts to be of better fit and quality. And yeah, there's always online. RockAuto is awesome...except the FedEx shipping costs are insane, lol.
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Posted: 18 Mar 2024 at 5:32pm |
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What's really crazy, is that even though a 'chain'.... the 3 stores near me have 3 DIFFERENT prices for the SAME item !
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Posted: 18 Mar 2024 at 5:35pm |
jaybmiller wrote:
What's really crazy, is that even though a 'chain'.... the 3 stores near me have 3 DIFFERENT prices for the SAME item !
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These ones are like that, too. You can price check online and the stores have different markups? Or something. I don't like that.
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Posted: 18 Mar 2024 at 5:57pm |
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20 years ago WIX made some filters that had no restriction.. All the oil went to the BYPASS back to the crank case.. NO OIL or LOW OIL was flowing thru the lube passages internally... A few motors locked up due to loss of pressure.. WIX redesigned the filters and they have been OK for the past 10- 15 years or more..... And NAPA does buy that filter from WIX..... Their NEW filters are fine to use..
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Posted: 18 Mar 2024 at 6:00pm |
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As you run the engine, the filter will eventually start to plug and RESTRICT oil flow thru it.. A NEW filter might be a couple letters LOWER on the NORMAL scale.. That is fine, and acceptable... If you prefer, you can leave the ORIGINAL FILTER on longer.. all you are doing is cutting down on the BYPASS oil that is FILTERED and allowing more oil to go to LUBE the engine..
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Posted: 18 Mar 2024 at 6:04pm |
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The Napa gold filters are made by Wix. Not sure about the cheaper lines.
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Posted: 18 Mar 2024 at 6:05pm |
Edited by Codger - 18 Mar 2024 at 6:37pm
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Posted: 18 Mar 2024 at 6:09pm |
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I've never used anything but Fram C159 filters on my tractors. They are the only filter made that didn't switch to the pleated paper back when AGCO and Wix sold the ones that ruined engines.
They also are totally unrelated to the poor quality Fram filters for full lube systems.
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Posted: 18 Mar 2024 at 6:15pm |
Ed (Ont) wrote:
The Napa gold filters are made by Wix. Not sure about the cheaper lines. |
X2
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Posted: 18 Mar 2024 at 6:34pm |
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Depends on what part of the us you are in. Some areas are wix and some are Donaldson
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Posted: 18 Mar 2024 at 6:51pm |
Agreed about the Napa stores. I haven’t patronized them for probably 5 years now? I’ve tried. But other like Carquest, Advanced Auto, OReillys, has been more competitive. 20 years ago, my local Napa store manager offered me a constant 40% discount if I opened an account that spent a minimum of $500 annually. That disappeared about 5 yrs ago. I believe Mann-Hummel of South Carolina mfg many prominent US oil filters( Napa, Wix, Purolator, etc) Mann-Hummel purchased Wix filters May 4, 2016. https://wixeurope.com/en/company/news/we-are-part-of-the-mann-hummel-group#:~:text=On%20May%204%2C%202016%2C%20Wix,and%20all%20types%20of%20machines.
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Posted: 18 Mar 2024 at 7:16pm |
After the fiasco years back, I'd never use a NAPA or WIX filter on anything. The Fram159 and the Baldwin T300 are the only filters I'd use on an AC engine with the Bypass oil system. These two brand filter have always been consistent in their ability to maintain proper restriction to keep proper oil presser to the crankshaft. As for NAPA in general: the local stores around here are about as much a waste of time as any of the TSC stores. I know where I can get what here locally and beyond that I start making phone calls to places like Sandy Lake Implement and others.
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Posted: 18 Mar 2024 at 7:19pm |
Ed (Ont) wrote:
The Napa gold filters are made by Wix. Not sure about the cheaper lines. |
I've got one of the white ones...
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Posted: 18 Mar 2024 at 7:21pm |
steve(ill) wrote:
20 years ago WIX made some filters that had no restriction.. All the oil went to the BYPASS back to the crank case.. NO OIL or LOW OIL was flowing thru the lube passages internally... A few motors locked up due to loss of pressure.. WIX redesigned the filters and they have been OK for the past 10- 15 years or more..... And NAPA does buy that filter from WIX..... Their NEW filters are fine to use.. |
Perfect. Too late now, anyway!
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Posted: 18 Mar 2024 at 7:32pm |
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NAPA is having some business problems. They may not be on their own for very much longer.
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Posted: 18 Mar 2024 at 7:33pm |
Am I wrong, I thought the bad Napa filter # was 6011 and then they fixed the filter and changed the # to 7011?So the 7011 should be ok, right?
I buy all my tractor filters through Shoup. Baldwin, everything from the U, UC, WD, CA(all the same) 190, 200, 8010, 7020, 8050's, 8070, oil, hyd, fuel and many air filters. The Napa oil filter for the R62 8.3 was $103, If I remember right, it was less than half that through Shoup. No shipping charge on orders over $200.
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Posted: 18 Mar 2024 at 9:00pm |
You have poor managed Napa stores…the filters are nowhere near that expensive if the store knows what they are doing. I’m the cheapest place around for filters.
Color doesn’t say who made the filter. Donaldson and wix are both white.
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Posted: 18 Mar 2024 at 9:12pm |
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What’s wrong with agco 240912 filter
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Posted: 19 Mar 2024 at 5:04am |
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Fleet Farm still has the Fram C159 for $9.99 online. You can't beat that!! I don't know about shipping, as I can order online and then go pickup at the store.
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Posted: 19 Mar 2024 at 5:41am |
Lots of complaining about NAPA but no one really answered the question. Back 20 or so years ago someone redesigned the filter. They went from the cotton thread media to a pleated paper. The W engines NEED the cotton as that restriction is what helps provide oil pressure. Paper media had no restriction and an already low pressure system ran on basically zero pressure. Didn't take only a couple of years for them to realize they screwed up and all mfg went back to cotton media. As long as your filter has cotton thread tightly wound and a hole up the middle for the stand pipe, it's perfectly fine to use. AaronSEIA
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Posted: 19 Mar 2024 at 5:56am |
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This seems like a good time to remind the new people that when you change the filter, make sure the pipe isn't stuck in the old filter and gets discarded. It doesn't matter who's filter you use there won't be any restriction without the pipe!
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Posted: 19 Mar 2024 at 6:06am |
AaronSEIA wrote:
Lots of complaining about NAPA but no one really answered the question. Back 20 or so years ago someone redesigned the filter. They went from the cotton thread media to a pleated paper. The W engines NEED the cotton as that restriction is what helps provide oil pressure. Paper media had no restriction and an already low pressure system ran on basically zero pressure. Didn't take only a couple of years for them to realize they screwed up and all mfg went back to cotton media. As long as your filter has cotton thread tightly wound and a hole up the middle for the stand pipe, it's perfectly fine to use. AaronSEIA
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I don't know these engines at all so keep this in mind but is this a full flow, or bypass filtration system? Utilizing a restrictive filter to maintain oil pressure in the engine? I've never heard of that in the past. Though years prove me wrong, this reads of a design destined to failure without strict adherence to filter selection unless it is a bypass type system rather than full flow. I have several engines utilizing bypass systems only and they work well so find this interesting.
I don't patronize my local Napa parts store but that is a business relationship and pricing is just the start of it.
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Posted: 19 Mar 2024 at 7:05am |
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Good point Robert don’t forget about the pipe.
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