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Ian 
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Posted: 15 Apr 2012 at 2:55pm |
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Ok so got the 58 running today. I bought it last weekend, has been sitting a couple years, PO told me 2nd gear is bad, I verified, it pops right out, doesn't even attempt to go. I've read about that one, but the PD isn't going into neutral at all. The 60 won't stop in neutral with the PD but I can hold it still with the brakes. The 58 won't even let me hold it with the brake. It just keeps going. I'm cannibalizing the 60 to get the 58 going, the 60's motor is bad bad but know I can . I'm wondering if I should just take the whole rear section of the 60, torque tube and transmission and use the nose of the 58. Which was the plan really from the get go when I bought the 58. But if the PD isn't that hard to fix, I'd rather just fix it and 2nd gear and keep that one as original as possible since I can just rebuild the motor on the 60 and make it more than a parts tractor again. it does look like they just put gear oil in it rather than hydraulic trans fluid. but the hydraulics work. so I have no idea. Also the PTO lever seal is leaking a bit, I assume you can remove it through the cover on the opposite side behind the PD lever?
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1987 Cub 1204
1982 Cub 682
1974 Cub 154 Lo-Boy (SOLD)
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Steve(SEMN)
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Posted: 15 Apr 2012 at 4:01pm |
You may already know that the
1958 d14 has 93 tooth ring gear
1960 d14 has 116 tooth ring gear
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Posted: 15 Apr 2012 at 4:46pm |
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found that out the hard way actually....starter wasn't working on the 58, incidently the starter from the 60 will start it....but makes a horrible horrible noise. I rebuilt the 58s starter. didn't damage anything thank goodness. Other differences, the battery box on the 60 is wider, the pto and snap coupler levers are longer on the 60, the taillights are bigger on the 60, and the 58 didnt have a tach, which i don't know if that was an option or not, but it will have one eventually either way. also the steering wheel looks to be the same as a wd45 on the 58. Do those interchange?
Seemed they did some things to make them more user friendly IE the longer control levers so you didn't have to lean down as far or push em with your feet.
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1980 AC 616
1958 AC D14
1960 AC D14
1987 Cub 1204
1982 Cub 682
1974 Cub 154 Lo-Boy (SOLD)
Hauler: 1998 Dodge Ram2500 Cummins
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jaybmiller
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Posted: 15 Apr 2012 at 5:37pm |
I run 'universal tractor hydralic' oil in both my D-14s, ever hole get it ,'cept the engine !
PD's never go totally 'neutral' always some motion....seems normal according to others here.
Gotta be worthwhile to dreain all fluids, clean out the sumps and put new oil in and run for a few days.
Having two working tractors is a lot more fun than just one and a 'parts' machine !!
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Posted: 15 Apr 2012 at 7:01pm |
Ian,
Here is a old post of mine on some of the differences.
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Posted: 15 Apr 2012 at 10:50pm |
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jay I know that there will be some movement in neutral ussually. but never had one that you couldn't stop with the brakes. This is fully engaged, there's no difference in being in low or high or being in neutral. Yet you can still switch between the two no problem. I have to pull the cover off to fix the PTO lever seal anyways so I guess its a good time to look for obvious problems and change the fluid. I've heard Automatic transmission fluid can be added to loosen up the clutches if they're sticking? Any thoughts?
Same time I'll pull the cover for the transmission and see whats going on with 2nd gear. I'm sure the gear needs replaced. It doesn't even try to move before spitting it out.
I rebuilt the carb that came with the 58 and was going to take the 60's carb off and put the original back on, however, noticed it wouldn't fit, hitting the generator. upon further inspection I believe it's a d17 or wd45 carb. The bore is slightly bigger, and there's one adjustment screw on top and one on the bottom, instead of the two on top. I assume it's way too big, I can make it fit, I'm putting an alternator on it anyways, but don't want to deal with it running like crap of course
Steve, I've noticed most of those differences so far, except I was unsure of the steering shaft, that answers that question. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for the replies guys!
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1980 AC 616
1958 AC D14
1960 AC D14
1987 Cub 1204
1982 Cub 682
1974 Cub 154 Lo-Boy (SOLD)
Hauler: 1998 Dodge Ram2500 Cummins
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Posted: 16 Apr 2012 at 1:38pm |
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OK. I got the 60 carb rebuilt and back on the 58 since the one that came with it didn't fit. problem is still does the same thing. will only run with the choke 3/4 the way pulled. I've messed with the adjustments, can't seem to figure it out. It has a new manifold on it, no leaks there. New cap, plugs, wires, and coil. pulled the plugs and opened the gap a little from factory, no change. Fuel tank, bowl, and lines clear. I'm at a loss. Reading the manual now, maybe timing? doesn't look like its been adjusted or messed with. Runs great when the choke is pulled but starts spitting and dies if you open it. It was surging before I rebuilt it, but that has stopped now. Suggestions?
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1980 AC 616
1958 AC D14
1960 AC D14
1987 Cub 1204
1982 Cub 682
1974 Cub 154 Lo-Boy (SOLD)
Hauler: 1998 Dodge Ram2500 Cummins
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Posted: 16 Apr 2012 at 3:01pm |
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scratch my previous question. Main jet was plugged. Apparently the light I saw through it was not the right amount of light. She's running perfect now. Onto the PD. Is it possible the clutches are siezed together? If so what can I do to free them up? I looked in the cover and saw nothing of consequence. It just won't stop in neutral like the clutches never disengage but shifts between low and high just fine. That's what I'm working on now. Thanks again! Sorry for the rambling.
EDIT: The right fluid +2qts of ATF worked, apparently they don't like gear oil...
Onto other things. Happy with the progress today. It's at least usable, minus 2nd gear. So far I've managed not to split it. Heard if you mess with the linkage in the transmission you can sometimes buy some time by making the gears engage more fully. We shall see.
TSX 464 is the number on the big carb I have, anyone know what its SUPPOSED to be for?
Edited by Ian - 16 Apr 2012 at 4:05pm
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1980 AC 616
1958 AC D14
1960 AC D14
1987 Cub 1204
1982 Cub 682
1974 Cub 154 Lo-Boy (SOLD)
Hauler: 1998 Dodge Ram2500 Cummins
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