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    Posted: 13 Jun 2016 at 5:02pm
Hello gentlemen, ladies. First I would like to say that I am not pulling with my tractor, but I would like to share and ask questions about performance concerning just the model B (125ci) engine.

I removed the cylinder head off my engine, removed the valves and guides, pressure washed it and inspected it. There was substantial corrosion in the runners and valve pockets. I spent roughly six hours shaping and blending the runners and pocket areas to both remove the damage and smooth-blend below the valve seats and reduce the radii of the split intake "Y". Before doing a final smoothing/blending I took the head in to have .150 skimmed off the surface.

Looking at the factory rocker arm assy I can see room for improvement. First I measured a stock rocker to get an idea of the ratio. Center of shaft to center of valve stem 1.95 and center of shaft to center of pushrod 1.30. Divide 1.95 by 1.30 equals 1.5 ratio. This was just an "eyeball" measurement but it's what I am going to go by. " border="">
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This is a 1.6 roller rocker, I have some spare BB 1.73 Lunati's that may be better to work with. " border="">
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This tray was under the rocker arm assy. Seems like it would prevent oil from dripping on the lifters & camshaft...maybe?

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 The "tray" was used to keep oil away from the valve guides before stem seals were generally accepted. If you're not looking for added performance for pulling, what is the need for the trick parts, porting and taking .150" off of the surface? Many of these engines have run for many decades in factory form and most will out live many of use just as they were built.
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Thanks Paul, I wasn't sure why that tray was used.

Shop finally called to say my cylinder head was finished. They media-blasted it first, installed the guides I supplied, installed hardened exhaust seats, cut the valve seat angles on a Serti machine. Lastly they milled the surface of the head .150. 

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Paul happens to be running a turbo CABig smile
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This picture is a give-away to how far the head was milled.

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Looks like a new head.

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happen to have 2 kz 1000's sitting at dads place :)

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Two of the exhaust seats were pitted deep enough that seats had to be installed. The shop owner said to just do all the exhausts and it will be unleaded gas friendly, never have to worry about seats wearing out again.

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I may retake these pictures with a different camera/lens. It's difficult to show the bowl porting. I spent a leisure 6 hours smoothing and blending the bowls to the runners. Not necessarily for performance because this engine has had water in it over a long periods of time. The piston domes of 1 and 2 are extremely bad and all of the sleeves will note hone out (pitting) Anyway I basically blended all the exhaust bowls and runners to match. I did a little at a time. After I removed so much on the 1st bad port, I would move to the next and so on until they were all equal (feeling with my calibrated index finger).

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This belt-drive magneto would work with any 4-cylinder or V8 engine. Make a bracket to hold it in place and go.

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my dad bought one new in 78 and still has it.  bout 17k miles on it now.  he got another one a couple of years ago so one of us boys could ride with him.  its usually my brother who has no kids 
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Before pressure washing this head it needs a little clean-up porting with sand-paper rolls. More or less to radius sharp edges, nothing real important.

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Hard to focus on the inside of these bowls to show how conservative I ported these.

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One thing I did "open up" was the "Y" split area where the intake runners divide. I decided not to build-up the back-side wall of this split port with epoxy as described by a knowledgeable and highly respected person on this forum. I had to remind myself that I'm not going for the level of performance that his engine is built.

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I can make this conversion plate relatively easy but as some of you may already know the push-rod holes would need to be off-set. Before I get to far along could one of the modification oriented person's step in and advise.

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I bought these 1.73, 7/16 stud Lunati's 19 years ago and would like to attempt to use them if at all possible. From the center of the push-rod to the center of the valve stem roller that are 1" shorter in length that the stock stamped steel & spot welded arms.

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I can drill and tap these Lunati's for the adjustment screw.

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With a blue cap? It's a Vertex magneto. It's off a Kawasaki KZ1000 drag bike.
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Apparently this topic has become "look at my foreign motorbikes" instead of "B cylinder head performance"
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Originally posted by Alex09(WI) Alex09(WI) wrote:

Apparently this topic has become "look at my foreign motorbikes" instead of "B cylinder head performance"

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If you are thinking the pictures are taking up band width you are wrong. They are simply linked to my photobucket account. They can go away as quickly as they appeared.

As my cylinder head work progresses I will clear the motorcycle pics. Parts should have arrived Monday but YT said they are behind getting orders out. Head has been in the shop waiting.....

This was my daily rider, 2010 FXDWG bought new. Had to sell when I retired.

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That magneto would work on any 4-cylinder and V8 engines as well. Vertex makes a cap for dual-plug 4-cylinder heads. On a V8 the second wire would connect to a cylinder on the exhaust stroke. So 1-4-6-7 fire on the compression stroke and 8-3-5-2 fir on the exhaust stroke for that 720 degrees. Crank trigger ignitions use (or can use) 4 coils with dual plug wires coming out. As far as the crank trigger is concerned it's bolted to a 4-cylinder engine.

This is the kind of information that is universal.
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it looked like it could be used on my pulling tractor
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And it would. If you had a front engine plate, it could mount on there backwards so the cap faces the engine & wires would be where they should be. The belt would be in front and be driven off the crank. The governor would still control the carburetor arm. Just put a block-off plate on the back side to keep oil in.

Looking at the mag off this tractor it doesn't have any advance/retard either so this wouldn't be any different. Set it at what? 20 degrees crankshaft? For stock governor. 
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