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Thanks for the update. Ruby looks to be hard at work!
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Chris,
You can park that AA in my pole barn if ya want. Me and Jo Jo will give it a little exercise this summer. CA is lookin' good! Don't get like Ruby though. Even though she has the right idea. Warm weather is here. Time to go to work again on the CA! Rock n' Roll dude!
BTW, that little Denso looks lonely. Needs a B&B wiring system attached to it one of these days!  Thumbs Up
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Allis folks,
 The CA is back in the middle of the main bay in the shop. Right in the way. I should be out working on it. Being lazy! The weather was warm enough to mow the yard a couple days ago, then back to cold and snow!
 Syrup season is done for 2023, Thoughts turn to old tractors and my old truck. Car shows coming up soon, along with cruise-in events.
So the CA, Well it is still apart. I did order some paint for it which I hate to say will cost as much as the tractor. But I do like to see them freshened up. So this hopefully will be a Refurb, Clean and Paint project. Will it be ready for prime time this season on the pulling track?? Time will tell. I will try to get some pictures posted.

Here is Ruby my helper:


Regards,
 Chris


Edited by Sugarmaker - 19 Apr 2023 at 8:24pm
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Chris!  That Tractor is getting lighter! I don't think they have that light of a class to pull in! LOL! Big smile   It's lookin' good buddy. Yeah, treat the ole girl to a coat of paint. What the Hell. You might be able to pressure wash it this week. Supposed to be in the 50's round' here this coming week. I love it! I'll take this weather right to May...... Thumbs Up
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I use tin foil to wrap anything I don't want paint on,a lot cleaner and easier than tape and you can shove it into corners and around stuff that tape is almost impossible to get it to stick to.works great
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Tom,
Yea your probably right! I will keep cleaning the dirty old CA for a while, since it needs that anyway. I know it wount pull any better with acoat of paint. But while pulling or at the pulls it represents me or friends and family pulling too. I do have several in there work clothes too. 
Have never used tin foil as a mask??? Humm?? 
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Edited by Sugarmaker - 04 Feb 2023 at 5:40pm
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You have it that far might as well pull the front tires,use tin foil to mask it and get out the paint guns, I painted mine in my barn, it took me a bit but I got a roll of plastic painter drop cloth and sorta made my own paint booth, I also made a barrier around the temp paint booth,and draped plastic over the other equipment and implements, it turned out pretty good, not a $3,000.00 paint job but probably better than factory.also used way low pressure
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Thanks guys,
This is what these old brake shoes look like, not good at all:

Pulling the right final was easy:

Remove the cover from the right side of the rearend:

Pop out the old seal and install the new seal:

Sealant on the bolt threads

Now I need to get serious about clean up. The time to do that is now. Wolud be nice to get the back half of the tractor done while apart. What does that mean? I dont know maybe a coat of fresh orange paint?? I have not painted anything in the shop yet. And I did not make a dedicated paint room. Lots of things in here that we dont want painted with orange overspray!
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Edited by Sugarmaker - 04 Feb 2023 at 1:07pm
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Awesome job!
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Coming right along!
It's the color tractor my grandpa had!
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Allis folks,
the tire size on the CA = 12-24 Firestone Field and road.

We have the left final drive cleaned of grease and grime and set aside:


Have the CA supported on both sides:

ready to pull the right rear. Brake pin design on the top is awesome! Brake shoes on the right side were junk, Brake drum on the right is in pretty good shape, so I do not plan to change that. The seal in the differential has been replaced.;

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 Chris


Edited by Sugarmaker - 04 Feb 2023 at 12:57pm
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Folks,
 I did get the right rear tire off today. Also have the rear supported with steel sawhorses under the bar which has the pedals attached. I have started to clean the rear of some of the accumulated grease and grime. Not sure whare I will end up on this CA? We all know its a lot of work to clean and update these 70 year old tractors.
Will try to get some pictures. Cold weather and some snow today. So most of the day was spent in the warmer shop.
Hope things are good in Orange Land!
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HudCo,
 Humm? I should know and don't? Rim size is same as regular CA, So I think that is 24 inch? correct? I will try to check tomorrow. But one of the reasons I bought this was for the pretty good old Firestone rears.
I did get the rear seals from Sandy Lake. Removed and installed the smaller. I did get the larger (outer) seal also, But a little late now that I have the brake drum in place.
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Edited by Sugarmaker - 31 Jan 2023 at 5:52pm
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what size are your rear tires ?
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ac160, folks,
I did the work with the shaft in the tractor housing. I believe to pull the shaft you need to have the drum and key off anyway. I did try to remove the shaft when the drum was off. But I guess I did not have the correct tooling as I could not move it outward with the exterior cap off. The outer bearing exterior cup must have to be pushed out with the bearing? I gave up and went back to cleaning the shaft the best I could to allow the new drum to fit on the shaft. 
I am sure there are folks on here that can tell you what the techniques are to get the shaft out easily?
Looking forward to your project. Let us know how it goes!
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Chris


Edited by Sugarmaker - 30 Jan 2023 at 9:12am
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When you worked on the brake drum did you pull the whole shaft out or do it  while the shaft was in the tractor?  I am about to do the same on  a CA  when I have time.
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Paul, Folks,
This tractor has had the hand clutch removed and the brake drum looks pretty good on the right side. But I think I will try to pull that side apart and put in tha new seal for the rear diferential. 
Regards,
 Chris
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  The key in the drum only needs to do enough for the brakes, no power is put to the wheels with that key. 
  Although those hand clutches (in good working condition) in the RH housing will handle more power than the factory engine clutch, for a dedicated puller I've always put a LH pinion shaft in the RH housing. It also looses a few pounds by replacing the hand clutch with a LH shaft and brake drum. 


Edited by PaulB - 28 Jan 2023 at 7:32pm
If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere.
Real pullers don't have speed limits.
If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY
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Guys,
 Yes the entire casting cavity was full of mouse nests, and debis! What a mess! I think I would build some type of puller and or get a grinder small enough to get in the brake hole to cut the old drum apart. Cutting down above the keyway is the way to split the cast drum. After I salvaged the key and installed the new drum over the key, I tightened the bolt/ lock nut down. But the new keyway in the drum must be deep because the key kicked up more than I expected when viewed from the end. Humm?? Still looks like the key will work. 
Off topic: Today was all maple related with a annual membership meeting and dinner. Then Cheryl and I strung another 200 taps ( about 1/3 of our total ) this afternoon. 
Hope things are good in Orange land!
Regards,
 Chris


Edited by Sugarmaker - 28 Jan 2023 at 5:15pm
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As much fun as you had with that be glad it was the left one. I could really use a right, hard to come by!

My guess on Ruby's interest, drum might smell like mice?
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Ha, Ruby's having fun! I had to do the brake bands in one of my Bs, but I've not had to pull a drum off yet... No trouble for you.
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Great Dog!!! He knows a busted brake drum when he sees it.  

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Sparky, Folks,
 New seals ordered from Sandy Lake.
Friend John and I worked on the brake drum removal. It is not a easy task. Broke off the exterior portion. Used a dremel and a small wheel to slit the casting about 3/16 deep above the keyway. Then a cold chisel through the drilled hole and it continued and split the casting. A lot of prying and choice words. The key was actually hard to get out too. I wanted to clean up the axle, and finally got it but not easy to get in through the hole in the exterior. Installed the new brake drum, and set screw/ lock nut.

Ruby was checking out the old brake drum:




Regards,
 Chris
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If you’re pulling both sides yes. New seals every time while you’re in there.
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Sparky,
 Yes I was thinking the same thing. And that means I need to pull the other side also!:(
But its the right thing to do. This poor old tractor probably needs everything! Just not sure I want to go that deep?
 Thanks for the suggestion on the seal/s. Now would be the time for sure!
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Suggestion. Before you go back with the final drive I would replace the axle seal in the transmission housing. Good luck on your repair.
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Guys,
 I am ready for the majic words on getting the old brake drum off the shaft. I do have the lock nut and lock screw out of the old drum. All the exterior of the old drum is broken off down to the hub. Tried some heat and pry bar. Some heat from the blue wrench. Some Kroyl. Some sawsall work some cold chisel blows. A little action with pry and air chisel. Well it hasnt moved yet! But we will get it. Thought about some type of puller working against the end of the shaft??

By the way these top pins are way eaiser than WD style lower brake pins! And Paul was right the brake bands were junk! 
Some shots as I removed the left rear housing:




 I would like to get in and cut the old drum down to the keyway. But I just dont have a tool to do it. So I came here to ask for some advice from those that have removed CA brake drums.
Regards,
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Ah, looks like a happy pup. Steering wheel looks good too.
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Mike,
 Ruby is untrained and spoiled rotten! She is in control most of the time! Perfect!



The steering wheel update looks good! Pumping up the front tires helped bring the steering to a acceptable condition:


I did move the CA around to get the left rear under the jib. Brake work next up.

Regards,
 Chris


Edited by Sugarmaker - 24 Jan 2023 at 6:56pm
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Chris, good to see you're making progress on the latest Orange project!

How's the pup doing?
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