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    Posted: 25 Feb 2020 at 6:48am
I am looking for advice here. I have a 3500 dodge dually w/flat bed that weighs 9300lbs empty and an older 3 Ton dodge grain truck(farm use only) that I want to use. The trailer that I’m looking at is a 12t electric hydraulic brake with a pindle hitch. If a switch the hitch to a ball , will a standard class 3 be heavy/safe enough on the trucks? The heaviest pc of equipment is my backhoe @ ~15,000lbs that I plan to haul. Neither truck is combo tagged for this weight currently so I’m looking at my options.
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I'd keep the Pintle hitch..reduces # of 'borrowers' !
Always thought a 'reverse' Pintle hitch would be GREAT !


Edited by jaybmiller - 25 Feb 2020 at 8:33am
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Seems like a lot of Pintle weight for the 3500?
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My tri-axle trailer was a 21,000 GW and son pulled it with pintle hitch on his Dodge 2500 a few times hauling my AC 715B TLB - that is until i asked him about the DOT inspection sticker he would need for his truck to be legal (well close to it) 
 The pintle hitch is better than a ball hitch as secure and safe - had a ball hitch on one trailer where it popped lose going up a hill on a gravel road when truck hopped in loose gravel - seems I had the HD5G loaded with more weight to rear of trailer . Safety chain kept the full trailer from getting loose . 
  NEXT whatever you pull the trailer with needs a DOT sticker for inspection as does the trailer - seems you will also need a class A license , health card, and might even be a DOT number on tow vehicle .
 

Edited by Coke-in-MN - 25 Feb 2020 at 9:18am
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A class three hitch is only good to 10,000 lbs. you'll be very far short of good. Put the pintle hitch on the 3 ton with farm plates and get farm tags for the trailer.

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Originally posted by allisbred allisbred wrote:

I am looking for advice here. I have a 3500 dodge dually w/flat bed that weighs 9300lbs empty and an older 3 Ton dodge grain truck(farm use only) that I want to use. The trailer that I’m looking at is a 12t electric hydraulic brake with a pindle hitch. If a switch the hitch to a ball , will a standard class 3 be heavy/safe enough on the trucks? The heaviest pc of equipment is my backhoe @ ~15,000lbs that I plan to haul. Neither truck is combo tagged for this weight currently so I’m looking at my options.
Save a lot of money to do that with a 3500 Dodge you will be so far over your GCVWR that the DOT will be giving you tickets for years to come!! Convert the 3 ton to a puller!!
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Rules have changed and the skating around them is coming to a Defined closed point with DOT. USED TO get away with a lot of seriously Unsafe operations, not so much anymore. Make it legal to work and work what is legal, you will appreciate that at a later date where others won't.
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Well— was hoping for better options. Funny thing is legally, I can put that same backhoe on a haywagon(w/10T gear of course) and come down the road with it. Not going to help me move it very far though. I guess the big truck is better, thought the 3500 should be enough though. I don’t have farm tags on the 3500 due to all the restrictions in PA. Also got a little education as I thought the hitch weight was how much was applied to it in lieu to the GVW of the trailer. I’ll look into farm tagging the trailer behind the grain truck. Thanks for all your opinions!
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Yes some of the wight can be trnsfered by the hitch to tow vehicle - but a class 3 hitch is only good for what the hitch is rated - say 10,000  - on the pintle hitch on my tri axle I can transfer up to 20% of the GVW of the trailer to tow vehicle . In most cases it was my tandem dump truck at 51,000 GVW - then had one state DOT say the trailer has to weigh in as a stand alone vehicle and the weight transfer would not count - and the next guy i asked said that 20% transfer if they are pulled as a unit and the weight does not exceed the licensed weight of the tow vehicle when used as a unit .
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If you put the backhoe on the 10 ton hay rack it is a piece of farm equipment. It must have a slow moving vehicle sign and not exceed 25 mph. The reason we don't have fast tractors here in the US is because farm implements are not suposed to exceed 25 mph. In Europe they can run 40 mph but have to have road tags.
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I see a lot of Fendt tractors around here in the past few years, mostly large custom outfits that buzz about 40 mph on the back roads. I took a picture last year that had a Fendt tractor pulling a large tank spreader, a F250 long bed, and a 40+ foot auger all in 1 tow. I’m in some hilly country and that was something to see. I was told they were covering 100 miles with that rig. I’m not sure if they are tagged, I did see a SM sign on the auger though they were moving fast enough that I didn’t need to pass.
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If you're looking at trailers a gooseneck will solve your issues....

or don't use the four way hitch and mount your pintle to your frame like a truck and it will be fine.
problem will be balancing a backhoe over the trailer axles so it won't be dropping your bumper to the ground

this does not take into account license issues
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