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Jim Hancock 
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 Posted: 29 Mar 2016 at 11:05pm |
One more thing Chris. Please wear hearing protectors when plowing.
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Posted: 30 Mar 2016 at 8:06am |
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Dseries4,
Thanks for adjusting the link. Those are nice looking steps!
Jim,
What did you say?:) I will do that.
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Chris
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Posted: 30 Mar 2016 at 8:14am |
 Sugarmaker wrote:
DSeries4 wrote:
Link to Mike Noonan's steps...
http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=115066&KW=steps&PID=947300&title=tractor-steps#947300
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Not sure why this won't work? I am not great at hyperlinks.
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When it is in black like that, it isn't a live link. All you have to do is copy the entire link by left clicking on it and dragging your mouse to the end, then paste it in the url (address box) at the top of the page. With mozilla Firefox, you can left click, drag to the end, which highlights it, then right click on the highlighted part and you get a drop down menu. Click open link in a new tab, and you have it.
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Posted: 30 Mar 2016 at 8:20am |
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Those non active links are really hard to copy when you use a cell phone it tends to over run the ends of the selection area. It is much nicer if people use the little globe with the chain link icon and make it an active link.
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Posted: 30 Mar 2016 at 9:14am |
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You guys are way to high tech for me!:)
I am starting to remove items to get the gas tank off.
Is there a way to change the title of a thread? Or maybe I should start a new one about this tractor?
Anyway this gas tank needs fixed or replaced. Cant have that. I see there is a used one on ebay for $100 too. The underside looks very good.
So I am going to remove the hood panels including the center bar. the hood band has been loosened and I guess one or both the side panels will need to come off to get to the bottom tank bolts. Will try to get some pictures as we progress on the tank.
Fighting head and chest cold today! Had to come in a warm up.
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Chris
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Posted: 30 Mar 2016 at 9:19am |
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If you go back to the first posting you made and click the edit link it will allow you to change the tittle of the tread. Took me a while to figure that one out.
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Posted: 30 Mar 2016 at 9:25am |
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Dan,
Well that was easy! Thanks! Hope I didn't loose or confuse too many folks by changing the title of this thread. (Was D17 early value) Which was appropriate before I drug it home:)
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Chris
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Jim Hancock
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Posted: 30 Mar 2016 at 11:35am |
Hi Chris. Here's what to do for the head and chest cold: Liquify 2-3 lemons in a blender half full of water. Add 1 tblspn of pure maple syrup per lemon Add 1 tblspn of cream of tartar-it's found in the spice rack at the store unless your wife has some in the cabinet. Add 1 tsp (or more if you like spicy) of ground red pepper-which is cayenne. After it's mixed, fill blender full of water. Mix. Pour a 16oz glass and drink it while it's at room temp to assimilate in your body easier and faster. Put rest in the fridge and drink a glass every 2-3 hours. This will take care of the head cold, sinus infections, bust a fever, ear infection, probably within 2-3 hours depending upon how plugged you are. Drink plenty of white grapefruit juice to clean the body's lymphatics out in order for the body to eliminate waste toxins from the cells. This does to your lymphatics what Drano does to your plugged house plumbing. Cleans it out to the walls for easier drainage. You'll have enough when it doesn't taste good. Wait a week and it will again. Add salt to it if it's too tart in the beginning to sweeten it up. The lymphatic system is the body's waste system, and if it's plugged, it creates a recycle of the internal cellular waste, thereby getting sick easier with almost everything that comes along. If this is cleaned out, it's a lot harder to catch something. The above is our "go to" recipe if we come down with something unexpectedly. We haven't had the flu for years and years. Or any flu for that matter. For the chest cold: In a 16oz glass, add "about" 1-2 tblspns of Bragg's apple cider vinegar and fill it up with Welch's grape juice. Drink a glass 2-4 times a day. Also, whole "bunch" of celery from the store. Separate and clean the stalks,(leaves too), and add to blender in a little water,(or can of tomato juice), and liquify the whole thing. This will be a home made V8 . Add a can of tomato juice with or w/o the tomatoes. 1 onion. Garlic powder or a garlic section. Tsp or more of ground red pepper. Tblspn of Bragg's ACV. Add in a few taps of tumeric. Mix and drink a glass every few hours. Liquified beets and beet juice will also help clear out the bronchials as well as the above. Also, if you have someone in your area that makes Colloidal Silver, see if they can make you some. You supply the distilled(or spring)water and jar, of course. Just an oz or 2 , once or twice a day is all that it takes. If not, I got my Colloidal Silver Generator from The Silver Edge and made my own. It takes about 3 hours. Steve Barwick is the owner. It saved my behind 2 yrs in a row when I came down with walking pneumonia. 1st year was just here for 4 weeks and then a friend sent me some to take. I could tell in a day or two of feeling like I want to go do something and not be wore out just from walking in a normal day. Had the chance to get one after I cleared up as I saw the results. We did as an investment to save on dr bills unless absolutely necessary. Glad that I had it and made my own! I was hit unexpectedly again in 2014 and this time I was ready and had it kicked out in about 2 weeks or a little less. Steve loads you up on info on all of the things that colloidal silver helps bring relief from. Just get on his email list. So, using the above regimens as needed, and a chiropractor visit now and then as needed, (I'm flexible and real limber), we don't have any medical bills to speak of nor prescriptions of any kind. I think that you'll find these recipes very helpful once you get going on them.
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Posted: 30 Mar 2016 at 12:29pm |
One more thing, Chris, to help you out. There is a junction point of the nerve network under each armpit about an inch or two down to about the 1st or 2nd rib. There are nerves that go to the lungs there. Massage these points like you're giving yourself a good scratch for about 20-30 seconds through the day as you think of it. This will stimulate the lungs and loosen the phlegm for you to cough out. Whichever side is the most "sore", that's the the lung that's plugged the most. Do this until there's nothing being coughed out.
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Posted: 30 Mar 2016 at 2:54pm |
Sugarmaker wrote:
You guys are way to high tech for me!:)
I am starting to remove items to get the gas tank off.
Is there a way to change the title of a thread? Or maybe I should start a new one about this tractor?
Anyway this gas tank needs fixed or replaced. Cant have that. I see there is a used one on ebay for $100 too. The underside looks very good.
So I am going to remove the hood panels including the center bar. the hood band has been loosened and I guess one or both the side panels will need to come off to get to the bottom tank bolts. Will try to get some pictures as we progress on the tank.
Fighting head and chest cold today! Had to come in a warm up.
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Seeing as you'll be doing this much you might just as well keep going and do the full re-paint.
Am I helpful? 
True story;
My real job is on the road industrial sales. About 20 years ago I needed a new car for work so I sold my plow truck, thinking I'd find a cheap replacement. Winter was coming fast and I hadn't had any luck finding a truck. I was getting desperate and finally took the next thing I could find, a totally rusted out real piece of work '77 F150. It had a 460 literally just setting in the engine bay, the gas tank was an old beer keg setting in the bed of the truck with a rubber hose running under the cab up to the carb. It started life with power steering, there was no PS pump on the truck.
A buddy of mine gave me a ride to pick it up. I got it home in one piece and kind of wondered what I had gotten myself into when my buddy says..."hey, I have that Kansas cab - I'd donate it if you want to fix that thing up".
Well...that got the wheels turning and the following Spring it came into the garage and got a full frame-off show quality restoration - all because someone was "helpful".
My point - I'm not suggesting you to do something I haven't already done myself. 
Edited by Play Farmer - 30 Mar 2016 at 2:54pm
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Posted: 30 Mar 2016 at 4:02pm |
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Play farmer don't tell Chris he needs to do the full paint until after he tells us he has all then parts off and spread all over the shop... we can tell him to just paint the tank because you see that from the drivers seat. Then once he gets ready to test fit that he will realize with the new front tires and freshly painted tank he has two really nice looking parts.... we need to stretch it out then I won't feel so bad about the fact that I haven't fixed mine up yet.
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Posted: 30 Mar 2016 at 7:02pm |
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Chris,
I thought you were going to buy that little B? Now I have tractor envy! Nice tractor my friend. Sounds like you're tackling it straightaway. I look forward to seeing her in action. Now I need a D-series...
Best,
Steve
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Posted: 30 Mar 2016 at 7:27pm |
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Everyone needs a D serries or two.
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Posted: 30 Mar 2016 at 8:29pm |
Ok folks, I see some of you found me after the name change to the thread! This tractor kept me busy most of the day, so I am catching up. First we need to change Jim H's name on here to Dr. Jim? Wow just reading his remedies I feel much better! Thanks Jim. Next on to the paint issue!:) The goal right now is to fix the leaky tank! I do have parts all over! It's not as easy to take the tank off a D series as the old WD's. Hoods off, Center hood support off which holds the wiring and the exhaust support, both side panels off. Tank band off, gas line disconnected. Now you can pull the tank!   This is a positive ground system.  Center bar front support bolts these should be fun to get back in place.  Drain the tank, a slow process but I have all day. I am retired or tired not sure which, sometimes both!:)  Wires for lights.  Hood center bar out of the way.  Exhaust support bracket is bolted to the center bar. All bolts came out OK. After looking closer I see some layers of orange paint on the engine block. May have had engine work done at one time??  Tank is almost free.  Right side panel off. Mr yuck in there. Had a brand new voltage regulator but they sure did not have the time to clean years of oily dirt out. This has to get a little cleaning before going back together!   Under side of tank was damp not dripping.  No obvious leak points.  Ok tank is off and inverted to take a look. Yep someone had a leak before and the bracket is soldered to the tank. Pretty nice looking work but all the vibrations over the years still makes this area suspect number 1.   Scratched the layers of crud off and found only good steel. Also inside of tank looked brand new. But I could see the four spot weld marks from the factory where the bracket was attached.  Ok this may not be the way to do it. But is how I tested it. Gas cap on tight inverted tank and gently blew air into the tank through the sediment bowl outlet. Closed the sediment bowl petcock trapping some air in the tank. Brushed soapy water around the bracket and found at least two spots where bubbles were being formed.    Next steps will be to decide method of the repair. I had real good luck brazing a WD tank in the same area. But the old solder may be hard to get rid of? Have filled and rinsed tank with water once and will have air hose full on inside the tank when any heat is applied. Scraped and cleaned the area between the panels under the tank.  Its a little better than what is was under the tank area. A half gallon of crud removed.  So I will keep the new paint in mind, but I do know what it takes to make them look good, and you have to touch every piece many times! This tractor is going to stay in her work clothes for a while. She has some plowing to do! Hey Steve, That abandoned Allis "B" is still setting there in a field. I need to at least get some pictures! What a project that would be! Not a labor of love just a labor! Just to let you know I had to get some of the other off color toys out too! New hand grips for the David Bradley. But it started smoking when I was putting it away? Need to look into that. This was abandoned for 40 years. I drug it home last fall.  Massive Briggs Model N engine. Rebuilt the carb was the major work done to it.  Removed snow blade from the Ford. Chains will stay on for a while. very wet around here.  This one is for Play Farmer. Had to bring these toys home from storage today too. Drove the 147R with
implements on carts about 3/4 mile. Should have had ear protection! It is obnoxiously
loud!! Like Play Farmers story. This Cub Cadet should never have been brought home. It was in very bad shape. And the implements I gathered up were not much better. I have hundreds of hours in this play train. Sure was nice when she fired up today only needing a battery charge.:) Priceless!   Barrel cart works good for the grand kids. Rhett should like it this summer too.  Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 30 Mar 2016 at 8:37pm
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Posted: 30 Mar 2016 at 8:42pm |
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I would not repaint that tractor, looks like a good original. Once you have the tank patched, you might also want to consider getting the inside lined so you can prevent any new leaks from forming.
Before you put the tank back on, look at all of the wiring in that area VERY closely. Nice love making nests in that area under the gas tank and will chew on the wires. I've had a few tractors where this has happened. In the winter time, I usually remove one side shield to prevent mice from making a nest there (it is no longer a hiding place for them).
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I like the tractor train. I can see me doing something like that if I ever have grandkids...or maybe just for fun.
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Posted: 30 Mar 2016 at 10:01pm |
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Have to say the train is really cool. Looks like you got well equated with the 17 today. Those top center prices go back in pretty easy the front sets in and holds it. I set the front in place used a punch to line up one bolt on the back verified the front and started bolting it down done that a few times before I put the punch in one back hole to line it all up it wasn't alot of fun. I am just impressed you got the screw that holds the tank strap out. Mine where soft and the heads just twisted wasn't a pretty site. I think one is still stuck and the other was wrecked on mine and try to find those fine thread with a taper cut in the end couldn't ofcouse I don't know what they are called which makes it much harder to fine them but man do they align alot nicer then a modern bolt.
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Posted: 30 Mar 2016 at 10:26pm |
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There was an update on the fuel tanks on the D17's where they used a clamp and a spring setup to hold the tanks down due to them cracking down where yours did. The later tractors had that from the factory as far as I know.
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Posted: 30 Mar 2016 at 10:52pm |
You're welcome Chris! These things and a kidney stone flush & a gall stone flush is what I learned from my homeopothist chiropractor that I've been with for 28 yrs. You can also flush your body with a gallon of orange , cranberry, and apple juice, besides grape and grapefruit to get things moving, which is what you want. BTW, if one has a headache that aspirin won't touch, your can drink the white grapefruit juice to relieve it as it's a toxic headache from fumes and such. Also, if one has really been doing strenuous work and ends up with sore muscles and body at night, drink Bragg's ACV straight or mix it with water, apple or grape juice as it's a natural pain reliever. Watching you work on your D17, I'm wondering if you're moving muscles that haven't been moved for awhile which would lead to them being sore from use. 
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that is one nice unmodified D17, looks like It was well taken care of. its in good hands now, looking forward to see your detailed photos and progress
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Dr. Jim,
Thanks for the additional remedies, I may need them!
The Allis project is on hold today. Raining here and having fun with the Great grandson. Going to help a friend work on a off color Green tractor this pm. Will assist in installing the sheet metal to make this into a orchard tractor.
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You are making the green one into an orchard tractor right not the d17? From what I was told orchard d17 tractors where not very popular because they where just too tall. Mine is a orchard trade in that the dealer converted back into a normal d17 still had the orchard exaust and cover over the factory exaust when I was a kid.
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Yes the Green one is going to be a orchard! My guess is a D17 orchard would be rare And tall too!
Better see if you can find those old orchard panels for your tractor. Wouldn't that be something if they were still around!
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Folks, Not much action today, but did get a chance to work on the gas tank this evening. Put a air hose in the filler port with tank upside down. Let that purge for 15 minutes or more. Got out the old soldering irons and started on the solder around the bracket. What I found worked the best was the liquid flux Stay-Sil, I believe is the brand name. Was using paste and the solder would not hardly flow. The liquid flux brought out the impurities in the joint. It may not be pretty but we are gas testing it right now. If there are no leaks this is how its going back on the 17.   Hope things are good in Orange land. Regards, Chris
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Posted: 31 Mar 2016 at 8:38pm |
Chris next time you have trouble with solder try c - flux it works great. I have never seen any flux that works better. http://www.rectorseal.com/c-flux/
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Dan,
Thanks for the recommendation on the flux!
I would have liked to braze this joint, but with the solder already there I might never get the joint clean for braze?
Just went out and checked. Its been a hour and with 2 gallons in the tank the area around the bracket is dry!!!!
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Thats always a good sign.
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Posted: 31 Mar 2016 at 11:21pm |
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Looks good Chris. I hope it works.
Did you use a torch to solder with?
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That looks great to me. Hope it seals it up. Soldering good is a skill I need to learn. Probably need to buy a good soldering iron to start with...
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allischalmerguy wrote:
Did you use a torch to solder with? Thanks, Mike |
He said.....
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As usual Chris, it looks great!! Sure wish I had P/S on mine! Steers really HARD! I got mine last fall and haven't been able to work on it yet. I'm hoping it's just a grease thing. We'll see. The batter box and all of the metal that keeps the battery on mine is junk! I'm gonna have to fabricate one as I don't trust the one in there. The battery looks like it might fall and I don't want any sparks around that gas tank!
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