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brewvet
Bronze Level Joined: 22 Feb 2018 Location: Blue Ridge, GA Points: 20 |
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Thanks for all the comments and advice everyone, now to order some parts and get to work.
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R.W
Orange Level Joined: 31 Dec 2010 Location: Swanton, OH Points: 2975 |
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Careful cleaning out the housings. Those old brakes most likely contain asbestos. Nice tractors!
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In Search Of: 1958 Allis Chalmers D17 Diesel serial #9643D
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jaybmiller
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 21468 |
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hmmm.. I didn't see a 'mouse house' in the picture of 'what's inside' ,hehehe...
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3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112
Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
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BEK
Silver Level Joined: 05 Nov 2017 Location: Wilmington, NC Points: 216 |
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New brake bands from Steiner.
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BEK
Silver Level Joined: 05 Nov 2017 Location: Wilmington, NC Points: 216 |
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A sample of brake housing junk. Here's what came out of mine. One side, but both sides were trashed.
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BEK
Silver Level Joined: 05 Nov 2017 Location: Wilmington, NC Points: 216 |
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If the brake drums are in good shape and you only replace the brake bands, make sure you clean out the housing really good. This makes getting the new band in a lot easier.
I made a tool from a piece of flat stock to scrape all the junk out of the housing. There's a a hole in the bottom of the housing where debris can fall out. Compressed air or a shop vac will help. |
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Allis dave
Orange Level Joined: 10 May 2012 Location: Northern IN Points: 2849 |
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There's a guy screen name "Rick" on here. He does an excellent job relining brake bands and clutch discs for a great price. I bought one clutch from him. If I was doing a brake job, I would talk to Rick. Look through the classified section. Every few weeks he bumps his "For sale" back to the top.
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dt1050
Orange Level Joined: 05 Jul 2011 Location: central pa Points: 1078 |
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couldn't decide on an Allis or a Farmall so ya bought both...lol. nice machine. when I pulled the final drives on my d14 (have to pull them to work on brakes on a d14) I just chained them to the trusses of the garage roof. when putting them back on I used a heavy duty ratched strap on the axle tube close to the end and one on the other side close to the final drive. that way if I needed to raise or lower it a little to get it to line up I could just give it a couple cranks on the ratchet strap.
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Just cause it's orange don't make it a tractor, there's only one..Allis Chalmers
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Hubnut
Orange Level Joined: 30 Jul 2014 Location: Gainesville, FL Points: 1812 |
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Very nice tractor there! I think you did great! Enjoy.
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1940 B "Lucy"
1941 B w/ Woods L59 "Flavia" 1942 B w/ finish mower "Dick" 1941 C w/ 3-point "Maggie" 1947 C SFW w/ L306 "Trixie" 1972 314H |
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CrestonM
Orange Level Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Location: Oklahoma Points: 8357 |
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I don't know a whole lot about them, other than yes they are dual fuel. You're supposed to start the engine on gas from the little tank, then switch over to kerosene (main tank) when the engine warms up. Unless it's been overhauled and gas pistons installed, the pistons will be a bit shorter and have a dish in them (kinda like an Allis power crater piston, but not as extreme). On a good day you'll have about 90 lbs compression, which I've heard is good for a kerosene engine. I put taller gas pistons in mine (since I only run gas) and raised the compression to 115 lbs, and I can tell there's a little power increase.
The engine serial number is located to the rear of the air cleaner, where the engine bolts to the torque tube. May be kinda hard to read, but should start with either a "BE" (most likely) or "CE" and end with a "K". The "AM" number on the right side of the block you saw is the casting number. the last two digits of that string of numbers indicates the year it was cast, but it's still a code. It will be a number like 12, or 13, etc. I can't remember what numbers line up to which years, but someone here will know.
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brewvet
Bronze Level Joined: 22 Feb 2018 Location: Blue Ridge, GA Points: 20 |
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Interesting, can you school me on the Kersoene models, were these dual fuel? There is a separate number on the block starting with a 'K', Looks to be 'K 108'. The other number stamped appears to be 5 digits starting with an 'AM'. |
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brewvet
Bronze Level Joined: 22 Feb 2018 Location: Blue Ridge, GA Points: 20 |
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The Farmall I actually took in trade.
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CrestonM
Orange Level Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Location: Oklahoma Points: 8357 |
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That tank on the right side of the hood is the gasoline tank. It's a Kerosene B. The engine serial number should have a "K" stamped as the final digit, unless it's had a block swap.
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brewvet
Bronze Level Joined: 22 Feb 2018 Location: Blue Ridge, GA Points: 20 |
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Thanks for the reply. Yep got a complete set of cultivators and mounting hardware which look like they have never been used.
It looks like the brakes are just worn out, I tried adjusting them and can get a little pedal on the left side but nothing on the right. So it sounds like the bands are easy to replace, the drums are a lot more work. I will order some new bands, can you buy these at NAPA or would I need to get from Steiner, etc? Thanks |
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Ranse
Orange Level Joined: 11 Mar 2016 Location: Tennessee Points: 773 |
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Well, she looks good! I'm curious about the cap on the side of the hood. What's it for? I've never seen it before. Good looking Farmall too, did you buy both tractors? The brakes on my B are almost non-existent as well. That's a future project, one of thousands I need to get to.
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Hubert (Ga)engine7
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Jackson Cnty,GA Points: 6126 |
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Congratulations, you did good! There is a screw and lock nut on the top side of the brakes that you can adjust but very likely the brakes are worn out and will have to be replaced. If the drums are okay you can wash all the crud out of the axle housing and pull the brake bands out from the top once you get the pins removed. The other option is removing the final drives which will need to be done if you need new drums. Did you get any hardware and feet with the cultivator or just the frame?
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Just an old country boy saved by the grace of God.
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brewvet
Bronze Level Joined: 22 Feb 2018 Location: Blue Ridge, GA Points: 20 |
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Update: looked at the tractor yesterday and after some negotiation we agreed and she came home on a uHaul auto transport. That was a bit challenging because she barely fit due to the width if the ramps.
The good, she looks to be a 1939 serial number 29890. Runs like a top, no smoke,no leaks to speak of, clutch and transmission are good. The bad brakes barely work and will need some tires, fronts are the worst. Looks like the lever to lower the implements has been customized. And since I didn't want her lonely a 1940 Farmall A agreed to keep her company. Question, is there a way to adjust the brakes? |
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brewvet
Bronze Level Joined: 22 Feb 2018 Location: Blue Ridge, GA Points: 20 |
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Thanks all. He's actually asking $1400, but still sounds like a good deal. I will check out the rear wheels for any play.
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kurtleimkuehler
Bronze Level Joined: 07 Apr 2015 Location: missouri Points: 45 |
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Buy an allis chalmers G. They look like they can handle any task at hand.
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Hubnut
Orange Level Joined: 30 Jul 2014 Location: Gainesville, FL Points: 1812 |
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Looks like it has a PTO adapter for modern output, so it is likely an early B. I also see a hydraulic pump. If he only wants 1200 and it runs nice without smoke, it's a great deal in my opinion. Make sure there is no slip in the rear wheel splines and check the lateral play in the rear wheels as well. The hubs on these have had MANY years to wear out, especially if they were not kept tight during use. I can tell you from experience, those are not fun to replace. Paint looks to be very nice.
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1940 B "Lucy"
1941 B w/ Woods L59 "Flavia" 1942 B w/ finish mower "Dick" 1941 C w/ 3-point "Maggie" 1947 C SFW w/ L306 "Trixie" 1972 314H |
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jaybmiller
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 21468 |
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gee, even I would lay down 1200 for that B ! she's pretty and well equipped to boot !
think about this...you can't buy a good ,used,abused riding lawn mower for 1200 ! sure hope you get it. Jay |
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3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112
Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
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brewvet
Bronze Level Joined: 22 Feb 2018 Location: Blue Ridge, GA Points: 20 |
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All,
So I have found a 'b' I am going to look at this weekend. The owner sent me some pics and would like your thoughts. Looks like the PTO was painted over, also not seeing hydraulics? Thoughts? Thanks |
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wfmurray
Orange Level Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Bostic NC Points: 1225 |
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I rode a cub like the one in picture.I now own a B.We had sickle mower like one in picture and cuil ,planter and plow .One year we cuil over 50 acres and mowed several acres with cub.Everone said they needed a little more power.If i had say 5 acres i would go with cub .Attachment are a lot eaiser to mount and no comparison in lift.
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Ranse
Orange Level Joined: 11 Mar 2016 Location: Tennessee Points: 773 |
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I think you lucked out brewvet. If that seller hadn't backed out on you, you wouldn't have found the B with the cultivators. The cultivators are very important. What the cultivators mean is you will be able to use this tractor for something other than pulling wagons. You can't just run out and buy cultivators for a B anytime. If I had cultivators for mine, that would make the tractor more useful for me, thus making it more valuable to me.
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Wdtractorman
Orange Level Joined: 24 Sep 2013 Location: Kentucky Points: 975 |
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Gerald J.
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Hamilton Co, IA Points: 5636 |
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Read the manuals I posted links to Saturday and you will probably know more about the tractor than the seller.
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brewvet
Bronze Level Joined: 22 Feb 2018 Location: Blue Ridge, GA Points: 20 |
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So found another b within 200 miles of me going to look at it this weekend, the pictures and description seem that it's in nice shape. It has been converted to 12 volts, runs and drives, has been repainted and comes with cultivators. He says tires are about 50 percent tread and hold air. He drove it in a tractor parade and had no issues. Price seems right at $1400.00.
Anything else to pay attention to, common issues? Thanks |
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Hubnut
Orange Level Joined: 30 Jul 2014 Location: Gainesville, FL Points: 1812 |
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Here you go.
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1940 B "Lucy"
1941 B w/ Woods L59 "Flavia" 1942 B w/ finish mower "Dick" 1941 C w/ 3-point "Maggie" 1947 C SFW w/ L306 "Trixie" 1972 314H |
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bikley
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Maryland Points: 5403 |
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Hubnut I need a better picture of the whie one |
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dt1050
Orange Level Joined: 05 Jul 2011 Location: central pa Points: 1078 |
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a B is a great little tractor, but a live pto is great to have when brush hogging or cutting fields. bummer your deal fell through, we've all been there. Don't be affraid to look outside your area for a tractor, if you find one and need it hauled put a post on forum. worked for me when I bought a d14 in new york and i live in central pa. fella that hauled gave a great price and was a real nice fella to deal with...he also had a set of rims and tires that I needed. dt
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Just cause it's orange don't make it a tractor, there's only one..Allis Chalmers
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