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AC Mel
Orange Level Access Joined: 23 Jan 2010 Location: N.Ca. Points: 1099 |
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Posted: 26 Aug 2021 at 6:24pm |
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Bringing it back to go with new post
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Ian Beale
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Mel - watch out! "Sacramento County Says It's Illegal to Work on Your Own Car in Your Own Garage"(Via Small Dead Animals) |
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Leop
Silver Level Joined: 03 Dec 2018 Location: California Points: 161 |
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Just a note about that crack. I have been in a similar situation on a 1900's steam locomotive and 1948 Kenworth truck. Here are the two ideas I came up with.
When the crack is resonable can use a process called lock-n-stitch, so named by the manufacturer that invented it. I was very skeptical but when I tried it, it actualy worked! Here is a link to a two part video showing how it works. https://youtu.be/Pq0wfU4ZaKk I repaired a crack in a water passage of an engine block due to freezing. Engine was fully dressed and still in the truck. Neven seen a leak! This may also work for structural cracks as well. Contact manufacturer to inquire. The second method worked for parts that were structuraly damaged. It was plain good old fashioned brazing. I was sckeptical here as well. They say brazing has a higher psi tensil strength than cast iron, and i think even cast steel. The person that convinced me of this is a very knowledgeable machinist on YouTube, Keith Fenner. Just search "keith fenner brazing" in the YouTube's search bar and see all his examples. He also explains why Nickel rod and other methods don't work well. The only issue was preheating the huge casting My solution was to take it to a powder coating shop with a large oven.I the casting very slowly heated up to 500F. Then a forklift lifted the casting out and two portable welders were standing ready to weld it. After it was brazed (20 min or so) and ground clean back into the oven it went to cool off slowly. The shop even agreed to powder coat it for me before it went back in the oven. Cost was regular powdercoat cost + 20min extra oven time cost + the cost of the portable weders. They hot boiled it for me and then walnut shell blasted it for (I paid extra for wallnuts over sand to avoid inadvertently introducing sand into the mechanism that went inside the casting) as well. That powder coat sure made it easy to clean the part after re-instalation onto the greasy grimy locomotive. Just some thoughts that might help you. Note, both outside vendors were super helpfull after I explaind that I was trying to save somthing historically important, so i would mention that too. No relation or compensation from any vendor or YouTube'er mentioned above. Cheers, Leo |
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Leop
Silver Level Joined: 03 Dec 2018 Location: California Points: 161 |
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BTW, those first two tractors look incredible. I have restored lots of cars to that level, but being able to do it with such huge and heavy components is just pure art work and rigging engineering combined.
It sure doesn't fit into a blasting booth. Even if it did how many tons of walnut shells or baking soda would it take to clean her up? A Ton or so? Please consider doing a write up someday on how one goes about getting such results. |
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Leop
Silver Level Joined: 03 Dec 2018 Location: California Points: 161 |
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A while back i asked about a ROPS here, and via the help I recieved and lots of my own research I discovered that Allis Chalmers did offer a factory ROPS for the HD6G. That was great news because it meant that it was an actual ROPS not a brush guard. Not a small feat of engineering I might add given the 13K lbs of that tractor. I did locate a few after much much looking but they were too far away to be cost effective. However they may be closer to you. Assuming the same cage was offered for the HD5 I think thats a great solution. What I am currently doing is trying to have one made locally that duplicates the construction and mounting points of the factory unit. Search Leop and ROPs to find that post. Edited by Leop - 11 Jul 2019 at 7:21pm |
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LouSWPA
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Clinton, Pa Points: 24018 |
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Ya, I have looked more than once at putting a true ROPS on one of these, but there is just no practical place to put one, at least not w/o a whole lot of engineering. Like Coke says, just about all you will see is 'pipe on sheetmetal'...good for a parasol but not much else |
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Wes1987
Bronze Level Joined: 04 Jul 2019 Location: Honesdale Points: 3 |
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I have an hd5 that I'm looking to sell it runs great but transmission is cracked.
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AC Mel
Orange Level Access Joined: 23 Jan 2010 Location: N.Ca. Points: 1099 |
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Ok wrong button, Treedog I probably do have a good used idler in the "donor tractor" section, but the freight would be costlly, there has to be something closer to you.
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AC Mel
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Ages Cat
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Hutchinson, MN Points: 679 |
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Treegog: You may find an idler at General Gear in Boise, ID or Norcon in Spokane.
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Curt Anderson
HD3, HD5B, HD6E, HD6AG,HD6B dozer, I-400, 615, 616,(2) 620, 720, ACP25 lift truck, 1956 D Special Grader, AC 540 loader, AC 655 crawler loader, AC #84 plow, Simplicity lawn tractors. |
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treedog62
Bronze Level Joined: 09 Jul 2016 Location: monroeville oh Points: 26 |
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which idlers will interchange with the HD-5 ?
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treedog62
Bronze Level Joined: 09 Jul 2016 Location: monroeville oh Points: 26 |
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Mel you wouldn't by chance have a front idler laying around !!! Hd-5g need one !!thxs or anyone else!!
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Ages Cat
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Hutchinson, MN Points: 679 |
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I have (4) Allis crawlers. They are great machines, but they need to be used, greased and kept inside. Most of these machines were parked for a reason. The front idler you mentioned is the why. The stuck clutches are the result of the machine exposed to the elements. Good luck.
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Curt Anderson
HD3, HD5B, HD6E, HD6AG,HD6B dozer, I-400, 615, 616,(2) 620, 720, ACP25 lift truck, 1956 D Special Grader, AC 540 loader, AC 655 crawler loader, AC #84 plow, Simplicity lawn tractors. |
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treedog62
Bronze Level Joined: 09 Jul 2016 Location: monroeville oh Points: 26 |
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WELL NOW I HAVE ANOTHER ISSUE!!! LOL!! IAM IN NEED OF A RITE FRONT IDLER
WITH BEARINGS AND SHAFT AND ALL TOGETHER!!! ANY BODY HAVE ANY THAT IS IN GOOD SHAPE! THXS
FOR HD-5G
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Ray54
Orange Level Access Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Location: Paso Robles, Ca Points: 4318 |
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You need to make sure of adjustments,and linkages are free first.
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treedog62
Bronze Level Joined: 09 Jul 2016 Location: monroeville oh Points: 26 |
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Dozer not sure but I think the rite side is not disgaging
when I pull back on stick just goes strait!! how can I get it freed!! been siting for a few yrs!!! thxs!!
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Dozer
Orange Level Joined: 16 Aug 2011 Location: SW New York Points: 689 |
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With the motor running master clutch engaged transmission in gear disengage both steering clutches. Note the direction it turns, the opposite steering clutch is locked up. If it goes straight both are locked up. If it stops both steering clutches are disengaging properly.
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treedog62
Bronze Level Joined: 09 Jul 2016 Location: monroeville oh Points: 26 |
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hey guys got trouble with my hd-5 ! it want turn right when I pull the stick!! I also apply the rite brake at same time!! but it want turn!!! any suggestions!! thxs
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JohnCO
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Niwot Colo Points: 8992 |
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Hard to believe it's the same machine! What a great restoration, I'm sure the Cole family is happy they let you have the machine.
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"If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer"
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treedog62
Bronze Level Joined: 09 Jul 2016 Location: monroeville oh Points: 26 |
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dang those look nice!!! got another tranny!! the lady I got mine from had one there he husband had it for this HD-5!! gears and all were good . replace 1 bearing ! no teeth broke off!! thxs! guys!!
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tadams(OH)
Orange Level Access Joined: 17 Sep 2009 Location: Jeromesville, O Points: 9553 |
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Sure looks nice, great job
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ACcrazy
Silver Level Joined: 30 May 2012 Location: Eureka, Califor Points: 97 |
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JohnCO
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Niwot Colo Points: 8992 |
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Mel, have you finished that HD5? Seems like I remember seeing pictures of it but then again, you guys have been working on several machines in the last few years.
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"If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer"
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AC Mel
Orange Level Access Joined: 23 Jan 2010 Location: N.Ca. Points: 1099 |
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FYI,we probably have a HD5 transmission we could part with, but I agree with Hector, what do you really need? There's a whole bunch of moving parts to what may be a problem or not.
Also I'm glad you were able to find this old post. I can't find a lot of my old posts, I guess they went to AC cyberspace |
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gemdozer
Orange Level Joined: 17 Sep 2009 Points: 940 |
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I have a complet transmission for HD5 but you better removed yours maybe you just need a gear or a bearing and am 'T shipping heavy parts because cust to much for heavy parts
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treedog62
Bronze Level Joined: 09 Jul 2016 Location: monroeville oh Points: 26 |
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just got a ts-5/hd-5 crawler bucket dozer!! I need transmission! any one know where I can get one!! put a motor in it!! 271 GM/ Detroit. like to get this tranny redone or get another used for old girl !! any help! thxs!! pm me treedog2@yahoo.com with any info!!
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mrkc
Bronze Level Joined: 26 Dec 2012 Location: W. Washington Points: 1 |
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The HD5 was purchased by my grandfather, Frank Core, in the late 1940s (I think). They used it to finish logging a bunch of old growth fir on his farm near Mossyrock, WA. The timber had been cut about 10 years earlier but hadn't been bucked into logs because the deal with the logger went haywire.
They bought the HD5 at McKinnel Tractor in Chehalis, Washington. As far as I know, it was equipped as you see it now. My father, Calvin Core, learned to operate it while he was in high school and went on to become a professional cat skinner (among other things) running D8s and similar sized Terex dozers at the Centralia steam plant. I didn't run it much when I was growning up. After dad died in 1994, I used it enough to realize I wasn't very good with a dozer and didn't have the patience to learn. I would much rather run farm tractors, something I have many hours of experience doing. Sometime around 1997, my mom's second husband was using it and the steering clutches on one side failed. It had to be towed back with the 1959 JD 430 tractor we had on the farm. It ran when it was parked and had just had the top end rebuilt. I will ask my dad's two sisters if they remember any more details about when it was purchased or how it was equipped. I'm pleased that Mel and Dave now have it and that it will be repaired, and enjoyed. My dad and grandfather really liked it and it was difficult to see it sit in disrepair. It just wasn't cost effective to pay a mechanic to get it fixed. By the way, the same thing happened with the '59 JD 430 tractor. I now have a small diesel 4X4 tractor and it is far better for what I need.
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Lee Bradley
Bronze Level Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Location: Kingston, WA Points: 115 |
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What a find! Looks like they had just replaced the rails and sprockets when they parked it.
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AC-12G
Bronze Level Joined: 26 Dec 2012 Location: ROCHESTER,WA. Points: 3 |
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HI MEL , JUST SIGNED THE AC FORM TO CHAT W/ YOU. GUESS I`M A OLE QUALIFIED AC JUNKEE.... LIL 5 IS ALL DRESSED UP FOR PACIFIC NO.WEST LOGGING COUNTRY....IF ONLY THE NOISY LIL BUG-ER COULD TELL IT`S PAST . IT IS A LIL SWEET HEART FOR DAM SURE..... AS I THINK BACK ON YOUR GETTING THE LIL 5 ...I SHOULD HAVE LOADED MY PICK UP W/ 12G MISC. & MET YOU AT I-5 & EXIT 88 (HWY 12 )..... MEL, ALSO STILL KEEP IN TOUCH BY E-MAIL. JERRY K
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David Gantt N.C.
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: North Carolina Points: 379 |
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great fine, hope to see it after you finish the restore, thanks for sharing
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