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    Posted: 26 May 2020 at 5:08pm
Mike,
 Those rims and tires look good on the D17! I agree with Ted. A full paint job is in order too! :)
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Originally posted by Ted J Ted J wrote:

I hate to rain on your parade Mike, but that 17 looks terrible now.....when are you going to start painting the WHOLE thing?  LOL  I like your red 'tool bench' LOL!  Did you run out of beer yet?

Ted, don't hold your breathe on a whole paint job! Have other bigger, more important projects I need to get started on.

That red work bench has supported many an Allis project, and will continue to do so until it quits moving, kind of a quest at this point.

Still have plenty of that good beer, I ration it. Drink Iowa domestic so I don't run out of the good stuff before it's safe to go get more!

Edit; While swapping the tires I saw A LOT of grease/dirt build up on the final drives. That makes me think a look in the pans is in the future and possibly a seal replacement or two. Have done one or two on a WD, not fun but not horrible either.


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I hate to rain on your parade Mike, but that 17 looks terrible now.....when are you going to start painting the WHOLE thing?  LOL  I like your red 'tool bench' LOL!  Did you run out of beer yet?
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Got the tires/wheels mounted today. See it I can get a pic or two to post.
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Glad I popped in today and saw this post. A rusted rim is why my D17 has been sidelined. Just last night I put a battery on the charger thinking I might try to bring it home today.

I'm not 100% sure what size the rims are but I might be looking for a patch piece.

And not to be "that guy" I also think I might have a good donor thats a little smaller too I'd be willing to donate/share to anyone needing a piece.

The corn and beans are in, time to get to work getting the D17 back in the rotation.

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Mike,
 Great job on the wheels! Yes one of my phobias, Wheels and tires!:) You have some awesome farm land around you too. Weather is nicer! Those wheels are going to look sharp on the D17.
Thanks for the update, and pictures too.
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Good progress today, got the weights off and paint on the centers. One needs one more coat, may get these things mounted tomorrow.Getting the weights cleaned up and painted may take awhile. Also working on another 'rim project', this one for the 720. Just need to clean up and paint. Going to mount a set of 33-12.50-15's on them when I get them bought.
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Things have picked up a bit. Got the second center cleaned up and primered, also got some (white) paint on the inside of the first. Originally was going to be orange but looking at the 17, it's centers are white and I want to keep it that way. The locks that are going on are orange, so this is going to look like one of Sugarmaker's projects. (Except that the rest of the tractor's paint won't)! With a little bit of luck maybe I'll get the rest of the paint laid down today and can get them assembled tomorrow.

Starting on power steering on the 'Wide Front' today, best to keep several Allis projects in process at once!
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Got a little more done on this, cleaned up one wheel center and got some primer and paint on the inside. The outside has some battle scars I want to smooth out with a flap-wheel before paint. Raining here today so may get more clean up done.

When I started this I was going to put these wheels/tires on my NF 45. Have changed my mind, they will be going on the 17. Not a big fan of the long-bar short-bars that are on it now. Also that 45 already has fantastic rubber on it.

On the down side? The wheel weights on that 17 will now need a fresh coat of paint and handling those things isn't much fun!

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Mike,
 Those rims and tries look great. Maybe someday a set of 16.9-28's on one of the WD series tractors just for fun!
They would work very well on your 17 also.
Thanks for the update!
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Update time once again, finally! Took yesterday off work because of the nice weather. Had the rims painted and ready and a new set of tubes. Got the first one put together and then managed to start the second one going the same way! Had to pop it back off the rim and turn it around. You can see in the one picture the flat for the valvestem that I 'embossed'. The embossing process involved a rosebud on the torch, the horn of an anvil, and a big ball peen. Even cherry red that rim was tough! Think I could have centered the hole a little better, not sure what happened there. Where I'm working the D-17 is 'watching' me. I started this project thinking these wheels/tires were going on my NF 45. Now I'm torn, they would look awfully good on that 17! They will probably end up on the 45, at least for a while. Seems like Eldon moved tires around quite a bit? Need to get the centers cleaned up, painted then the changeover can commence.
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GG,
Yes that rim will not get better. New rims are available. It may run a long time as it is too.
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Dang, such great work!!

I'm afraid this rim on my WD is about to this point right now:



Unfortunately I can't weld nor have anything to unmount the tire with!
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Update time, (finally). Been kind of slow on this project, it is kind of low priority. Haven't got the centers cleaned up yet but did get the wheel wire brushed yesterday. Too windy to do any painting and I need to emboss a flat for the valve-stem. Getting closer.
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Originally posted by Mikez Mikez wrote:

Hi Mike sorry I didn't respond. It's a 13"-26" rim

Ok, I had completely forgotten about this.
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Hi Mike sorry I didn't respond. It's a 13"-26" rim
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Mike,
You got it! Kids, grand kids, and great grand kids in the sugarhouse making syrup!


Thanks for checking on me!

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Originally posted by Sugarmaker Sugarmaker wrote:

Mike,
 Looking very sharp! Thanks for the update. It may prompt me in to doing something orange related too. ( Oh yea I did call and order a new set of 14.9-28's for the WZ, so I guess that is something!:))
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Chris, haven't seen you on here a lot recently. Busy in the sugar shack?
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When I first got into the tire business in 1986 we could buy the rim hole weld on part. I started out with 50 of them and sold them all. They make a nice rim repair without causing tube problems.
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Mike,
 Looking very sharp! Thanks for the update. It may prompt me in to doing something orange related too. ( Oh yea I did call and order a new set of 14.9-28's for the WZ, so I guess that is something!:))
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Small update; Got all the locks painted and assembled. Now if the weather would cooperate I could get the centers cleaned up and painted.
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Ted, I hope to make it this year, should probably be looking for a motel room now. If I bring a tractor, and I would like to, it will probably be the 'Wide Front', with model 63 plow. Last years one day whirlwind trip didn't give us time to even watch any field demos let alone go out and plow.

Small update on the project; made it out to the farm and found all the rest of the parts I need for this. Got the 4 eccentrics sand blasted, working on getting things primered now. The two wheel centers I found will need some serious clean-up before paint but that will have to wait for better weather.
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Looking good Mike!!  You going to haul it to Hutch this year?  Are YOU coming to Hutch again this year?
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No. That's just the recommended rim width. Pullers have been putting tires on wider than 'recommended' rims for years. Those are on 12" rims, the 16.9s are going on 13s, recommended is 15 but Allis put them on 13 for years. Have a set that way on my D-17, look fine. 
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Mike,
 Those tires will look real good on any W series tractor! Your rim work and parts are going to look good! That's a good looking WD45 too. So that is the front end that can be easily changed to a wide front. I see it says 14.9-28 on 13 inch rim. I have some of my rims out at 14 inches. Think there is any down side to that? Side wall support issues?
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Chris, here is approximately what the tractor will look like when done. This the 'Wide-Front' when I redid the front end with a corn-picker pedestal. Wheel weights will be different. Also a shot of the tires headed for the 57. Recently got a broken bolt out of a spare manifold for that one, has a nasty exhaust leak. Really want to start making some progress on that old girl.
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So I was digging around in the basement today and found some parts that will help with this project. My plan is to clean and paint another set of centers and hardware. Will have to check my inventory at the farm for the other 4. These have all been sandblasted and somewhat painted.
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Originally posted by Mikez Mikez wrote:

I need a piece to weld in. We don't have any donor rims to cut up. I kinda want to try to repair one

Mikez,
 You can do it. Having a donor rim may not be necessary, depending on the rust out area. I did not have one on the rims on my WD45. Sometimes just some 1/8 inch steel strip will provide the patch material. Really most of the work is getting the tire off, cleaning and prepping the area. Start a thread with some pictures of the bad rim. We will provide the couch support for you!:)
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When I did some rim work for my first D-14, I made a 'rim roller'. Simple wooden structure with 2, 18" conveyor rollers, spaced about a foot apart. The rim stands upright on the rollers, so you can EASILY rotate the rim for cleaning and painting. It's surprised me how little effort was needed to turn it !
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Mike, what size rim do you need a patch for? I have more for 28 inchers.
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