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Ted J
Orange Level Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Location: La Crosse, WI Points: 18699 |
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CONGRATS on the pull and the win Chris! That trophy is worth all that work!
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MDWilliams338
Silver Level Joined: 19 Nov 2018 Location: NC Points: 473 |
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Hey Chris..yessir I sure will tell them and as humid as it’s been down here I’m ready to come up for a visit 😁.I’m not sure about the gov set between the two but I would suspect you’re likely right to speculate a difference.
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Sugarmaker
Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8167 |
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MD,
Good to hear from you! Tell Dad and Mom I said hi. Looking forwards to your next visit! Planning to go to a tractor pull this Saturday in nearby NY state. Meaders has a good pull I am told. just for fun. Run what you brung, Bragging rights only no trophies or money. They have a doubeltree pull that I want to see. Should be interesting. Friend Jim may haul for me he has a nice trailer like you do. So we could take 2 Allis tractors. Will try to get some pictures. The WD45 seems to do pretty well but the WZ doesnt seem to have the spunk I expected. Wondering if the gleaner engine is somehow set up different on the governor components. Like maybe the governor spring is different for a combine engine?? Regards, Chris
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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
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MDWilliams338
Silver Level Joined: 19 Nov 2018 Location: NC Points: 473 |
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Hey Mr Chris!! Been doing a lot with this ‘ol girl huh? Sure still looks good.BTW…copper based anti seize works wonders on stuff like eccentrics and other hateful stuff that likes to seize up over time.
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Sugarmaker
Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8167 |
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Dusty sure has the correct approach. If these wheel eccentrics got moved a couple times a year and lubed also, I am sure they would function a lot better.
Regards, Chris
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Dusty MI
Orange Level Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Charlotte, Mi Points: 5053 |
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A little oil might help them turn a lot easier.
We had a '53 WD, and moved the wheels a couple times a year, and used the tools that came with it, don't remember needing a cheater.
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917 H, '48 G, '65 D-10 series III "Allis Express"
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garden_guy
Orange Level Joined: 05 Jul 2013 Location: Illinois Points: 1113 |
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I hear that! Interestingly getting them to about the 2/3rds mark was the hardest, after that, it was a constant pressure to lock them all the way down. I definitely put a lot of "muscle" into it, but I am so glad they are fully locked down now, as I was really concerned about having them slip on me.
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Allis dave
Orange Level Joined: 10 May 2012 Location: Northern IN Points: 2847 |
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Hi Chris,
Glad to see that your fixerupper is all fixed up now! I was reading up a little bit about your traction boost gauge. My new one did the same thing. I took Charlie Tucker's advice from here and bought a 5000PSI liquid filled gauge. It's been working for about 7 years now!
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Sugarmaker
Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8167 |
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GG,
Yea these are not for the faint of heart! Very tight but when cleaned and lubed they should go over center and lock with a nice steady pressure as you show. Regards, Chris
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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
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garden_guy
Orange Level Joined: 05 Jul 2013 Location: Illinois Points: 1113 |
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Well thanks to this I got inspired to go crank down the eccentrics on my tractor (you may have seen it in my other thread). Two foot breaker bar and lots of sweating. I had it on the ground when I did it and worked from the bottom up. The top one on each side was a total bear. I think it came out pretty good, as it is where the wheels naturally wanted to sit in the middle, though the one on the right doesn't seem perfectly straight.... But I don't remember it being straight back with the old rim either when I got it from grandpa (and it had ballast in it then). Feels good to have them locked and knowing they aren't going to "move" on me, though for sure. |
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MDWilliams338
Silver Level Joined: 19 Nov 2018 Location: NC Points: 473 |
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Doing good Chris…been a helluva year but good and busy. Well it’s still looking good for sure.I didn’t even know you had gotten a new gauge…think when we came by you still had the original. |
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Sugarmaker
Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8167 |
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Mike,
Good to hear from you! How are you? I think last time we talked you were having back issues? Tell your Dad and Mom hello from us in NWPA. Yes this is the second gauge. First one the needle broke off during plowing. Sandy Lake stood behind the failure and sent me a replacement. The new one, I added a coat of clear to the body as the first one had a little surface rust after a year or so. Shifter seems to be working fine after a removal and "adjustment"! Regards, Chris
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MDWilliams338
Silver Level Joined: 19 Nov 2018 Location: NC Points: 473 |
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Hey Chris! Glad you still got this ol girl and looks like you eventually did put a new Booster gauge on it too?
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garden_guy
Orange Level Joined: 05 Jul 2013 Location: Illinois Points: 1113 |
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Nice work Chris!! Winning pulls, that's awesome! My one WD (the one I haven't gotten fixed up yet) got stuck in reverse for the first time circa 1999 or so. Has happened a few times since then, but we bored out the keyway and put in an oversized pin and it seemed to help the slop. But I am still paranoid when I'm out driving it. Never was quite sure how it happened, but I always figured it was something about the twist of the curved shifter that let it slip out at an odd angle from the rail... But never could confirm it. Hasn't happened in many years, knock on wood. I have a new curved shifter to install one of these days as the old one was hacked up on both ends. I put a new 12V battery in that tractor this weekend and she wouldn't fire up... So I ordered a new ground strap and battery cable, as the battery itself seems good. Figure to at least make the starter spin, as long as the cable to the starter is good and the ground strap is good and the starter button works, it should at least spin the engine over. Starting there. Getting a jump start on fixing up the other tractor now I guess.
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Sugarmaker
Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8167 |
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Folks,
Just a brief update in the world of this old orange tractor! So I have been taking this unit to tractor pulls and having a good time! The engine is fresh and runs real good. After I pulled Saturday and was moving the tractor around on Sunday morning, I noticed that it seemed to be stuck in reverse. Having rebuilt the shift tower I was a little surprised, but hey its still a old tractor and things happen. So I pried out the snap ring, pulled the shifter, and gently moved the center shifting fork back to neutral. Re assembled and she acts fine again. Don't know how or why, but crap does happen! Maybe she was just a little ticked I didnt give her a pat on the head for this: Hope things are good in orange land! Regards, Chris
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Sugarmaker
Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8167 |
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Yes! Correct tooling, and lots of gentle leverage!
Regards, Chris
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IBWD MIke
Orange Level Joined: 08 Apr 2012 Location: Newton Ia. Points: 3436 |
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For what it's worth; I've got a 20 MM socket I welded a 1/2" to 3/4" adapter to. Use a good 3/4 drive ratchet like JTOOL. I built it more for calcium rusted ones that clean/painted ones.
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JTOOL
Silver Level Access Joined: 28 Feb 2021 Location: 64720 Points: 346 |
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@garden_guy; I think leverage is the key. When I did mine last spring I used my old BluePoint 3/4" ratchet and the 36" handle to bring the tabs to rest against the rail.
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Sugarmaker
Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8167 |
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GG,
Yes they need to go over center till the tab on the eccentric bolt rest against the bracket. I had to use a cheater on each one I did. You might be able to use a impact, but you don't have the same control or feel, but the vibration might bring it over center. Your idea of moving may be good, and work, but I never moved mine till I had all the eccentrics in place and tight. Others may have better ideas than I on getting them tight. Also I do this with no weight on the wheel. Regards, Chris Edited by Sugarmaker - 24 May 2021 at 8:09pm |
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garden_guy
Orange Level Joined: 05 Jul 2013 Location: Illinois Points: 1113 |
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Interesting approach, I like it. I guess if it seems like they won't cooperate, may be worth driving forward or backwards a little to see if sitting a little different will let me get it? Or sliding it in or out a little on the rail (I've got them set out in the middle position so I am using two of the wheel stops as well, so they've got a tiny bit of wiggle room on the rail). I may need to pick up some pipe to leverage as my cheater, as I've just got a 2 foot breaker bar at the moment. They need to be all the way clockwise to be locked right? There's some magic to that position that "holds" them in place?
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Sugarmaker
Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8167 |
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GG,
Well yes they are tight. I try to take them and tighten a couple and see if they go all the way to lock. then loosen them and do the other two opposing ones. Then start to bring them all to near lock. turn one tight then go around and turn the other ones. Good six point to fit the eccentric good 1/2 inch drive with breaker bar and a 3 foot cheater. Go slow. make sure they have been lubed good to. Keep working them I think they will go for you. Regards, Chris
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garden_guy
Orange Level Joined: 05 Jul 2013 Location: Illinois Points: 1113 |
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Good lookin' machine there Chris! I suspect I'll have the old gal home in a couple of weeks here. One question... The wheel eccentrics don't want to turn all the way back clockwise to lock against the wheel for some reason (new rails, cleaned up all the internals, etc.).... Any suggestions on getting the wheels locked?
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Sugarmaker
Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8167 |
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Dave, GG, Folks,
I do have the ability to encourage folks to spend massive ammounts of money! I figure I am doing it why should GG and others? GG These rims and tires look wonderful. I dont think you will regret the dollars you are spending on your family tractors! Your doing great! Here is a picture of a family tractor My WD that belonged to my Uncle Jack. He is gone but his son Jerry stopped in to visit and took it for a ride, Jerry had spent many hours on this tractor as a kid. The smile on his face was priceless: Regards, Chris
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garden_guy
Orange Level Joined: 05 Jul 2013 Location: Illinois Points: 1113 |
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Indeed he does; he did good work! Encouraged many of us to step up our game, haha. Here's the new Case IH Argent Silver rims with some AGCO Persian Orange #1 wheel centers (prior to some touch up paint). Got a truck load of old parts. Got rid of the old stanley muffler, the old battery box, have both old rims, and the old radiator. Opted to get new of everything. It's going to sting the pocket book, but I hope to have the tractor back home next month! |
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Allis dave
Orange Level Joined: 10 May 2012 Location: Northern IN Points: 2847 |
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Wow, guys I can't believe this topic is still goin!
You sure know how to draw a crowd Chris! haha
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garden_guy
Orange Level Joined: 05 Jul 2013 Location: Illinois Points: 1113 |
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Sugarmaker -- Thanks so much! I have been very pleased with all the repairs we have done along the way. I haven't completely torn into everything, just those critical items or things we can tell are well worn or on the verge of giving out, but I am already well past the point where we planned to have my tractor out of the paint booth (due to slow parts arrivals, some extra things that needed repair, and both of us being busy with our day jobs). Hoping to wrap up with it by the end of the month here! I wish I had the time and knowledge to go in a little deeper, but the transmission seems sound and the clutch still works and the engine sounds good, so I am hoping she will hold together nicely for my lifetime.
IBWD Mike -- Thanks! Yeah, I wish I could paint well myself. That's why I'm leaving it to my cousin. And since I don't know how to weld, I could tell that the cost of the rim repair was going to be more than a new rim was going to cost me, given all the other work involved. ac hunter -- Thank you! Hoping it will all start fitting back together soon; I've got some parts on order for finishing up the wheel re-assembly, and the radiatior and cowl just went back on this week and the wiring is starting... So, progress is happening at least! |
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ac hunter
Orange Level Joined: 05 Jan 2011 Location: OHIO Points: 948 |
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Garden Guy,
Your tractor sure is looking good. Very exciting when you can begin putting it back together and it looks like a tractor again. Keep us informed of your progress. Thanks for the pictures.
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IBWD MIke
Orange Level Joined: 08 Apr 2012 Location: Newton Ia. Points: 3436 |
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Nice! Wish I were a better painter. On the rim; 'Fixing' one does save some coin but is very time consuming! Good winter project.
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Sugarmaker
Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8167 |
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GG,
I agree! These folks have helped me a lot on all my tractor projects! Good used parts from many good Allis folks! The assembly work on your tractor is coming along nicely! Lots of details to look at. Its much more than just a paint job! Your really going to like it! You can be proud to bring it back to original condition. Will be even more special now with the work you have put into it! Looking forward to seeing it back on its feet again too! Regards, Chris
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garden_guy
Orange Level Joined: 05 Jul 2013 Location: Illinois Points: 1113 |
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For sure Chris. I'm going to hang on to the rim, the original battery box that came off, and some other odds and ends and hopefully drag 'em to swap meets in the next couple of years (once I get the other tractor all fixed up). I've tried to have parts live on as much as possible; like my old style front tire went to Iowa and my old front rim went to North Carolina I think. I've gotten a lot of good help from people on very affordable used parts and want to be able to pay it forward as well.
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