New to me HD11 - how to operate?
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Topic: New to me HD11 - how to operate?
Posted By: Andrew_D
Subject: New to me HD11 - how to operate?
Date Posted: 28 May 2013 at 12:23pm
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So here's the deal. In the past, we've hired a local guy to push bush, bury stones, trees, etc as needed on our farm. Just picked up a 1/2 section this spring and there's a fair bit of bush on it. Found someone about 1 hour away with an HD11 for sale. Now I know it's not the newest dozer out there, but for what we need, I think it will work fine. Also comes with a parts dozer as well. (Parts dozer has a seized engine due to no exhaust cap and has been robbed of a hydraulic pump and a few pads.) Here's the problem: Grandpa had an HD7 that he bought from an air base after WWII - Dad remembers driving it as a teenager. That is the last any of us have been around a dozer! I've been trying to find a picture of an HD11 operator's station and to figure out what each of the levers are for, but haven't found one yet. Does anyone have a picture that I could label the levers? Maybe a scan of a couple of pages from the manual? Seller estimates the year as 1960-1965. It does not have levers coming out of the dash. I stopped to look at it, but the owners weren't around, so did not fire it up. There were 2 pedals - one left, one right. Gearshift on right, close to the seat. Hydraulic blade lever at right hand arm rest. 2 more levers (steering??) closer to the center, coming out of the floor. Anyone help? Andrew |
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Posted By: Lazyts
Date Posted: 28 May 2013 at 1:49pm
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Manual steer HD11 would be 1955-1961. You are correct- clutch on LH side, pull to engage, steering levers in center, pull steering clutch lever back and engage corresponding brake to steer. Gear shift on RH side of seat, high-low shifter between your legs. (six forward gears, three reverse). If you have the serial number we could narrow down the year. Six roller track frame= HD11B or S Seven roller track frame= HD11E or ES |
Posted By: Jim in NM
Date Posted: 28 May 2013 at 1:59pm
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I have a scanned parts manual as a PDF document for the HD11. You should be able to look at the illustrations and parts descriptions and figure out the basics. Send me a private message with an email I can send to, and I'll attach it to my reply. (It's 36 megs though, hope you can receive it!) Jim in NM |
Posted By: michale34
Date Posted: 28 May 2013 at 2:57pm
| there a hd11 for sale in arkansas on machinery trader a hd 11 b i think this is the same model your talking about. if it is i got a book on it |
Posted By: Lazyts
Date Posted: 28 May 2013 at 3:15pm
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There is also a pretty good reprint of the service manual available on this website- just click on Allis Store. I bought one many years ago and was quite happy with it. |
Posted By: Andrew_D
Date Posted: 28 May 2013 at 4:59pm
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Wow!! Good info guys. Thanks! The dozer has a spoked front idler and spoked rear sprocket. Can't remember # of idlers, but I'm thinking 6. Jim in NM: Sending a PM right now... Andrew |
Posted By: Ages Cat
Date Posted: 28 May 2013 at 5:14pm
| Buy an operators manual. |
Posted By: Andrew_D
Date Posted: 28 May 2013 at 6:20pm
That is the plan, but I wanted to wait until I get a serial number first... Andrew |
Ages Cat wrote:Posted By: Andrew_D
Date Posted: 28 May 2013 at 6:34pm
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Ideas for moving the dead dozer?? I have the truck (KW W900) but no trailer. A neighbour has a low bed with beavertail which I was going to use. To move the dead one, I was thinking of jack-knifing the truck/trailer. Then push up a dirt ramp against the back end with the good dozer. Push the dead one to the dirt ramp. Run a cable from the dead one, over the trailer, over the neck to the good dozer and pull it on....good idea or bad? Andrew |
Posted By: Andrew_D
Date Posted: 28 May 2013 at 6:42pm
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There are no rear hydraulics, but since it has a hydraulic blade, I'm guessing it shouldn't be too hard to add some. We have a 12' Rome breaking Disc (TAW) and a CAT70 scraper. The scraper needs 3 outlets... Would a 70 be too big? We normally pull it with our JD9400 which is about 425HP. Definitely more power, but the HD11 would get it's power into the ground better, so I'm thinking it shouldn't be too bad??? Andrew |
Posted By: Andrew_D
Date Posted: 29 May 2013 at 12:04pm
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Just got the emails from Jim with the Parts Book PDF's. I've also managed to find 3 or 4 other versions - likely for different serial number ranges, so I should be set. Does anyone have (or know where to look) for a Service Manual or Operator's Manual? If I can't find a free download, I'll go looking on here, EBay or a couple of other websites I found that do re-prints. Andrew |
Posted By: Lazyts
Date Posted: 29 May 2013 at 12:10pm
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Everything you need is on Ebay right now- $75 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Allis-Chalmers-HD-11-Tractor-Service-Manual-Operators-Manual-Parts-List-/190847626864?pt=BI_Heavy_Equipment_Parts&hash=item2c6f67ae70 |
Posted By: Jim in NM
Date Posted: 29 May 2013 at 12:21pm
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If you can't find it anywhere else, try http://www.jensales.com/Allis-Chalmers-HD-11 They are a little pricey sometimes, but the manuals are good. I got everything I needed for an early AC Gleaner "E" combine from them, very happy with the service, and they had stuff no one else did. BTW, it looks like the same manual I sent you is $115 from jensales, but it would be a bound version. |
Posted By: Andrew_D
Date Posted: 29 May 2013 at 1:40pm
Looks like the right price! Unfortunately, the ad says he won't ship internationally. I've sent an email asking if he'll ship to Canada, so we'll see. If the seller won't, would someone here be willing to accept the manuals and forward them up to Canada? USPS Flat rate boxes work best. There is a 20 or 25 pound limit to ship flat rate to Canada, but I think we'll be under that!  Andrew |
Posted By: Andrew_D
Date Posted: 29 May 2013 at 2:16pm
Do you need to use the brake to steer, or can you simply pull back on the steering clutch lever? (See, I told you we were new to this!!) Andrew |
Posted By: gemdozer
Date Posted: 29 May 2013 at 4:22pm
| Yes you need to use brake pedal for steer |
Posted By: Andrew_D
Date Posted: 29 May 2013 at 7:20pm
OK, Thanks! Andrew |
Posted By: Andrew_D
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2013 at 9:14pm
Seller agreed to ship to Canada. Arrived yesterday. 8 days from Texas to Manitoba isn't bad! Manuals are in excellent shape. Plan is to haul the machines home Friday / Saturday... Andrew |
Posted By: Jim in NM
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2013 at 9:27am
| You do need to use the brakes for most changes in direction, however, on an old CAT I used to run, you could make minor changes by just using the clutch, which, depending on what you are trying to do, can make for much smoother transitions in direction. |
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Posted By: Dozer
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2013 at 6:34am
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Common to Tracked equipment of the time period was the over center clutch. Avoid slipping the clutch whenever possible. It is designed to be fully engaged when working. When not working with engine running, put the transmission in neutral and engage the clutch. I have a preference to have the clutch disengaged when in storage. Check that the drains on the steering clutches are open. Open the steering clutch compartments and check for water and/or mice. Check for water in the oil of the hydraulic system, transmission and final drive. Best wishes with your new machine |
Posted By: Andrew_D
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2013 at 10:37am
I did read somewhere about leaving the clutch engaged and trans in neutral. Also about not slipping the clutch. Don't remember where...I've been reading everything I can find these last few weeks! I'm going to do the solvent flush on the steering clutches as per the manual, then leave the drains open. Instead of leaving them open with the 1 1/4" drain, would putting say a 1 1/4" x 1/2" bushing in there keep more dust out while still allowing water to drain? Thoughts? Andrew |
Posted By: Dozer
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2013 at 11:39am
| You might enjoy "What is the tensile strength of a mouse nest?" August 19, 2012 It is about steering clutches. |