does the 301 allis engine
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Topic: does the 301 allis engine
Posted By: mlpankey
Subject: does the 301 allis engine
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2012 at 10:08am
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have the same head bolt pattern as the 301 ih engine? ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
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Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2012 at 2:13pm
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I'd be extremely shocked if it was! ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2012 at 2:51pm
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http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?3,136186" rel="nofollow - http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?3,136186
This post sounds like what you need! No idea on the pattern ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2012 at 4:22pm
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Yeap 2hp per cfm of cylinder head flow thats what i like. Glad to see our numbers are attainable in the world of tractor pulling by others. Just proves i aint full of crap as some think. ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: lussetto
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2012 at 11:04pm
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Not even close. Greg
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Posted By: Rod B
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2012 at 10:17am
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The reality is that Ed is smart enough to build an engine to turn those RPM's and make that kind of power. Building it large enough to do the job and small enough to hold up pauing attention to the details that make horsepower. The other difference is that Ed competes and shows us what he's got. I've pulled with him from time to time and he's a great individual. Not some smart talkin internet puller. ------------- for the money there is nothing better than provoking idiots and posers |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2012 at 10:50am
------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Rod B wrote:Posted By: Rod B
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2012 at 11:48am
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You totally missed the point and are trying to turn this into a pissn match in which ignorance and possiably genetics have already beatn you. Your numbers are also off. I think Marty was pulling 260 cfm through one of those 201 heads and 320 through another design he posted. ------------- for the money there is nothing better than provoking idiots and posers |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2012 at 1:35pm
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genetics to sniff out bs . ok 260 *2 =520 hp . That should still pull third gear at 5500 after all 200 hp in a wd will 200 in a olie 77 will pull 5th gear. tractor pullin and drag racing are the same the more horses you have the less mechanical advantage from gearing is needed . kinetic energy . Genetics is that why you and wi can not get 2 hp per cfm like ed is that what i missed? ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: Rod B
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2012 at 3:17pm
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All you're doing here is showing your ignorance and lack of understanding the internal combustion engine. Engine design and cylinder head design have a lot more to do with horsepower output than strictly airflow numbers. Look at other factors in the induction and exhaust tract and the parts used to help make power. A siamesed port design of your 226 4 cyl will never make the hp to cfm ratio of an individual port 6 cyl. By trying to argue with me with your idea that 1 cfm will produce 2 hp in the 226 further illistrates my formentioned points about ignorance and genetics. Why not do something and show us? ------------- for the money there is nothing better than provoking idiots and posers |
Posted By: Butch(OH)
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2012 at 4:13pm
He did, On the tracks I ran on we had names for such,,
 GRENADE!!! |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2012 at 5:08pm
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That happpens when ones not timid or to cheap to go all out. ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: Butch(OH)
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2012 at 6:43pm
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That's interesting, my experiance is more on round tracks and we not only had to be running at the end of a 25 lap feature we had to be in front of everybody else and even then somebody else declared us the winner or loser. I must check out this pulling thing,,,, build a grenade and get pushed on the trailer and you get to declare yourself the winner Do you bring your own trophy too?
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? Wow!Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2012 at 6:51pm
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Yeah you should. Lay down a run and see if the distance holds. ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: Bob C IL
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2012 at 7:12pm
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CALM DOWN BOYS!!!!!!! Ive wished for this forum for a long time, NO BASHING, Bob C |
Posted By: Butch(OH)
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2012 at 7:25pm
sorry  , I put smileys on my post
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Posted By: Rod B
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2012 at 9:39pm
So that's what you call it. Going all out must mean useing junkyard rods and heavy pistons. Drilling a cam full of holes to try and justify not knowing basic geometry. I'm not knocking on anyone (nor bashing) for trying, but thinking you went all out when all you did was scrap togather a time bomb is much different than the caliber of builds you dream of. That's why some guys have fun pulling and others sit behind the keyboard. I tend to think of engineering as the prevention of failure. ------------- for the money there is nothing better than provoking idiots and posers |
Posted By: wi50
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2012 at 9:03am
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"self imortalized"? Or is it that I'm shareing pictures and information with other people of similar intrests on a public forum now and then.
------------- "see what happens when you have no practical experience doing something...... you end up playing with calculators and looking stupid on the internet" |
Posted By: cwhit
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2012 at 5:35pm
| I'm with BOB C..... |
Posted By: WildBill
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2012 at 6:54pm
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Me too I agree with bob c ------------- Allis fan for life ! B,C,2-WC'S,WD45G,D19G,190xt ,LLSS 8010, terra tiger refurbished |
Posted By: Rod B
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2012 at 6:17pm
Judging by your post pankey you have no knowledge of gear ratios from a wc to a wd. You also have no knowledge of cylinder head configuration effecting power output. Claiming you do is pointless after makeing statements like quoted. What is your problem with WI? I didn't even mention him and you're off on some BS tangent. You've got some serious jealousy and personal issues to resolve by yourself. Otherwise why make the refrence to him or any of his work? Relax boys. I'm only pointing out the obvious. Maybe pank can post us some results and pictures. Possiably if he thinks real hard he can rember what heads do fit the 301. It's been covered here before. ------------- for the money there is nothing better than provoking idiots and posers |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 28 Sep 2012 at 9:16am
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Allis engineered their tractors to plow ground at 2.5 mile an hour. Wc full load rpms plowing at 2.5 is 1300 rpm a wd is at 1400 doing the same. So tell me how big the gearing difference for 100 rpms is. Minimul.. wd with 200 horse pulls third a wc with at least double that from head flow numbers should be able to also.drilling one dowl pin in the cam snout isnt a problem for most but it must be for you. ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: bradley6874
Date Posted: 28 Sep 2012 at 5:13pm
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why is it we have to put up with the jr high school bickering between you guys QUIT THE BICKERING BETWEEN YOURSELVES lots of us look to you all for advice but when you all start bickering we lose faith in your wisdom SO STOP PLEASE LOTS OF US NEED YOU GUYS ------------- You can wash the dirt off the body but you can’t wash the farmer out of the heart and soul |
Posted By: 2wise4agm
Date Posted: 28 Sep 2012 at 5:32pm
Well said Bradley6874.  As an Allis Chalmers (and a pulling) newbie I love this site, and hate to see all of this between a select few guys who obviously have some past history. I try to soak up as much info from here as I can and I'd hate to see it go away.
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Posted By: Rod B
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2012 at 5:22am
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Oh I'm not bickering. I'm useing this thread to teach more lessons. Pankey is claiming that 1 cfm of cylinder head flow is worth 2 hp of crankshaft power output. He seen some numbers and got excited. He claims it works on a 6 cyl IH and on a 4 cyl Allis. So in pankey math 1 = 2 no matter what. If you don't beleve me read through the thread. In the real world it's not true. Many other factors effect power output. As I stated one of the major ones is cylinder head configuration. One other major and most basic factor is the engines NUMBER OF CYLINDERS. Would a 4 cylinder engine make the same power as an 8 cylinder if the head was identical? If pankey ever wants to be a competitive tractor puller he's going to need to learn a thing or two more about engines, starting at the most basic level. Not to mention his misconception of gear ratios and the difference in them. A lot of times when an engine has high flow numbers and high RPM they actually pull in a SLOWER gear. But 6700 RPM in a 40 to 1 gear will go faster than 3000 RPM in a 35 to 1 gear even though both engines are makeing similar horsepower the torque output is much different. ------------- for the money there is nothing better than provoking idiots and posers |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2012 at 7:12am
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rod i am more competitive than you my tractor has been seen competing . wheres yours. ground speed is ground speed cameras dont lie . its easily calculated when you have a known distance and a camera timmer. ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: Rod B
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2012 at 7:29am
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I seen yours and 8 mph is a far cry from what you're boasting. So show us! Sled size, chain angle and track conditions are a huge part of speed. ------------- for the money there is nothing better than provoking idiots and posers |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2012 at 6:55pm
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Well i never poll the stands its quiet possible we were limited at mph at the event you was in the stands at. Ford motorsports advertised a 2300 in race trim at 600 hp. The half a v8 midget motors limited to no more than 165 ci make 350 hp every weekend .you might need fo rethink your posts some. Ps theys a 190 hp stock 226 that in race form gets 350 hp to. You just got to know where to look. ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: Glockhead SWMI
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2012 at 8:19am
| Those of you looking for help should thank Wi50, Rod, Butch, Mack, Dr Allis.... Dont believe everything you read on the internet. Get out to local pulls and talk to the guys that are doing it. |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2012 at 6:03pm
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Yeah macks a puller he knows why you line bore one.you should ask him glock head sometime. Even made his own cylinder head . The marine 226 does just as posted. ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: Glockhead SWMI
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2012 at 6:15pm
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Did you ask him to "align" bore something for you? :) |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2012 at 6:17pm
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No but you should ask him to build your carburator ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: Glockhead SWMI
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2012 at 6:21pm
| I did. I have no problem asking for help when I need it. I don't pretend to know it all. |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2012 at 6:26pm
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Yeah you do you just get humbled a little when a task beats you. What is it that was said once. Change is one thing progress is a differen thing. ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |