Moving an old disk
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Topic: Moving an old disk
Posted By: Hays
Subject: Moving an old disk
Date Posted: 24 May 2012 at 7:45pm
| I just acquired an old, 8 ft. pull disk. It was basically free, a throw in with a rotary mower I bought. The problem is: how do I get it to my place from the hedge row where it's at now, about 10 miles. I don't have a trailer it would fit on, or anyway to get on a trailer if I did. The 10 miles is 5 miles of gravel and five miles of blacktop. What do you all think about pulling it the 10 miles by road, slow, behind my truck, Sunday morning when there's not much traffic? Any ideas appreciated. Thanks! |
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Posted By: Dave (NE)
Date Posted: 24 May 2012 at 7:48pm
| Boy, I think that would really wear the disk blades out. Dad made a carriage type thing years ago to slip under the gangs. It had steel wheels on it. We went real slow with that. Another option may be to take a tractor and loader, lift it up, and just haul it tha way. |
Posted By: Ted in NE-OH
Date Posted: 24 May 2012 at 8:18pm
Hire a tilt bed tow truck.
------------- CA, WD, C, 3 Bs, 2 Gs, WC, I-400, 914 |
Posted By: wfmurray
Date Posted: 24 May 2012 at 8:19pm
| Hire some one with a rollback. |
Posted By: Dakota Dave
Date Posted: 24 May 2012 at 8:40pm
| with a couple planks under it you can drag it sideways on a fairly small trailer with a comealong. I've pulled mine 1/2 mile down the road by adjusting it to straight and pull it with the tractor. I would not attemt it again. when I brought it back I pulled it down the ditch instead. |
Posted By: TMiller/NC
Date Posted: 24 May 2012 at 8:54pm
| My grandpa used to pull his on a wooden sled that the tractor would straddle, unhook disk and hook to sled. Only moved it maybe a mile or so mostly on the shoulder of the road. Tim |
Posted By: Tracy Martin TN
Date Posted: 24 May 2012 at 10:25pm
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You can hitch it to the drawbar, and lift it off the ground with a boom pole.Drive it to where you want to go. Easy to do if you are by yourself. HTH Tracy Martin ------------- No greater gift than healthy grandkids! |
Posted By: TimOk
Date Posted: 24 May 2012 at 11:08pm
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Take it apart and load it in a pickup. Hauled dad's JD 15' straight disc from Ia to OK. Also gives you a look at the bearings and a chance to grease and repair . Be safe, the life you save may be your own. later
------------- Tim from the Rocking TJC |
Posted By: wdforty5
Date Posted: 25 May 2012 at 7:35am
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Ill bet it would pull fine behind a full size truck. A little redneck logic, and you can use a comealong to raise it up outta the ground. May have to pull the cylinder off of it first. ------------- "Old Iron...built to last" |
Posted By: Dakota Dave
Date Posted: 25 May 2012 at 8:59am
| If it had a cylinder to lift it it would be a wheel disk. A wheel disk can be pulled by a pickup, tractor or anything big enough to move it. A pull disk has no wheels or any way to lift it , short of a loader or boom pole it its not to heavy for the tractor. |
Posted By: KenBWisc
Date Posted: 25 May 2012 at 9:04am
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They fit nicely in a pickup as mentioned above.
------------- '34 WC #629, '49 G, '49 B, '49 WD, '62 D-19, '38 All Crop 60 and still hunting! |
Posted By: Rawleigh
Date Posted: 25 May 2012 at 10:46am
| maybe get the rear axle out of a junk front wheel drive car and make some kind of dolly for it, |
Posted By: Dick L
Date Posted: 25 May 2012 at 11:09am
| Make sure it is running straight and go with it. When I was growing up we farmed several farms and ran many miles on both blacktop and gravel roads. That was the only way to move a disc at the time. One farm was 12 miles away. Hook every thing needed behind the tractor and head out. Usually one tractor would have the disc, packer and spring tooth hooked together. Hook the plows behing another tractor. You would never notice any wear on the blades in only 10 miles. No more ware than the Amish would have on a steel rimmed buggy. |
Posted By: Dave Richards (WV)
Date Posted: 25 May 2012 at 11:14am
| You can hire a roll back for about half of the traffic ticket. |
Posted By: Dick L
Date Posted: 25 May 2012 at 12:40pm
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Where do they give traffic tickets for moving farm machinery from one (local) point to another? When did they pass a law that required tires under a disc or packer on (farm to market) roads? If they had of it would look like the government had outlawed the use of machinery that did not have tires. Just asking because I had never heard of it. SMV, yes! |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 25 May 2012 at 1:03pm
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Dad farmed 30 years with a 6 foot Allis disc and had 2 patches of ground a half mile apart. He would straighten the gangs and pull it down the road. Some places, where possible, he would drive off the side of the road but he hauled that thing back and forth many times.
------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: D17JIM
Date Posted: 25 May 2012 at 1:06pm
| When I was a kid Dad had a sled with RR irons for runners and a 2" wood plank top. Drove the tractor over the sled and pulled the disc onto the sled then put a chain on each RR iron where holes were torched and had it looped through the drawbar and pulled it every where. Had to watch RR crossings because even though the runners were sloped they could catch on a high one. Unload pry up sled and get every thing to other side. Keep hearing trains. Don't ask how I know. |
Posted By: DonDittmar
Date Posted: 25 May 2012 at 1:30pm
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If it was 10 miles of gravel I would say go for it.........but 5 miles of black top, if it was me I wouldn't chance it.
In my state(MI), and I may be wrong here so dont quote me on this, if you did mess up the road there is no fine per say, just MDOT will fix what you screwed up and send you the bill ------------- Experience is a fancy name for past mistakes. "Great moments are born from great opportunity" 1968 D15D,1962 D19D Also 1965 Cub Loboy and 1958 JD 720 Diesel Pony Start |
Posted By: Dave Richards (WV)
Date Posted: 25 May 2012 at 1:40pm
| He didn't say it was a Farm Market road. Also, there is a big difference to the law between using a tractor to pull it and a pickup truck. We also don't know what state he is in. Oh well, we will know if he tries it because once he hits the blacktop, we will hear it from any state. |
Posted By: Hays
Date Posted: 25 May 2012 at 3:01pm
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I'm in Kansas and there is no law against steel wheels on the blacktop, unless there is damage. It sounds like if the disk is running straight there wouldn't be too much potential for damage. I would, however, expect a fair amount of noise. My concern was whether it would damage or destroy the disk blades to pull them on the road. Sounds like there is experience that the disk would survey the trip. The cost of a rollback tow truck would be about $90. I'd like to save that expense if I can. Next question: I assume that "running straight" means with all of the disk blades are parallel to each other and the road, and at right angles to the ground. Is that right? I intend to use the disk to create quail habitat around some of my hay meadows. They need bare ground and annual weeds, near shrubby cover, to breed. In other words, I won't be using the disk too much. But I'm sure that my 1968 Allis 180 deisel will enjoy the work! Thanks again! If anyone else has any other ideas, I would appreciate hearing them. |
Posted By: Dick L
Date Posted: 25 May 2012 at 8:02pm
Road damage is the key here. Your not going to do any damage to the black top running with the disc set not to cut or straight as in pic. Here you damage the road you pay.  |
Posted By: R.W
Date Posted: 25 May 2012 at 8:12pm
| I would be worried if the blades are worn out, the blacktop will be very hard on them if they are worn thin. |
Posted By: orangeman
Date Posted: 25 May 2012 at 8:12pm
| Hays: From an engineering standpoint, very unlikely the disc would damage the road. I would save the $90 and put them on the road and go. I think if one calculated the dead load above the disc vs. the number of disc to carry the load very very unlikely any road damage could occur. |
Posted By: Dick L
Date Posted: 25 May 2012 at 8:35pm
Roads were laid out before cars or tractors. The largest need for roads was to get the harvest to market. Non farm to market roads as in interstates were designed to get the kids to Disney world and such and fall under a different intended use. With one use to move freight long distances other than by rail. Lots of city folk keep trying to keep farm machinery off any country road they travel and think that milk and chicken breasts come from Walmart. I have pulled a baler with two wagons attached on the State route I live on and had old women give me the bird and blow their horn all the way around. I have also had the highway patrol follow me for over a mile with ten cars behind him without getting the bird or horns being blowed. Seems the highway patrol knows that steak on the grill at one time needed hay to get there on the grill and it takes roads to get from one field to another to harvest that hay. They are running rubber tired tractors on our blacktop roads that cover one and a half to two lanes of traffic that do much more damage to those roads than any light weight weight disc. Our county decided that the farmers were going to be a cash cow using truck tire load rules for heavy farm machinery such as the very large balers. After a few tickets the County had their hats handed to them. Pulling a fertilizer buggy loaded with a half ton pickup under 35 with a SMV is also off limits to the police here.
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Dave Richards (WV) wrote:Posted By: Hays
Date Posted: 25 May 2012 at 10:46pm
| I'm going to pull the disk home behind the truck and will report back. Thanks again. |
Posted By: 427435
Date Posted: 25 May 2012 at 10:51pm
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The biggest problem may be the bearings. I would stop and check their temp after a mile or two. They were designed for rotation at 5-6mph or less. If you get in a hurry with the PU, watch out.
------------- Mark B10 Allis, 917 Allis, 7116 Simplicity, 7790 Simplicity Diesel, GTH-L Simplicity Ignorance is curable-----stupidity is not. |
Posted By: Hays
Date Posted: 26 May 2012 at 7:12am
| Mark - I was planning to give everything a good oiling before I start. I would guess the disk hasn't been moved any distance in years. Can I lubricate the bearings any other way? I will go slowly. Thanks - Bill |
Posted By: Dakota Dave
Date Posted: 26 May 2012 at 9:23am
| You won't be able to pull it very fast the noise will drive you crazy. When I was a kid dad pulled a disk behind a pull grader with a C 5 miles. I rode the grader at 6 MPH the noise was deafining. The greder was on steel wheels with rubber tread wired to the back wheels. If you cant get grease in the bearings Take a scribe and dig out what you can than fill with WD40 it will loosen it up. pulling it donw the road won't hurt anything as jong as you can get the gangs straight. If you can't straighten them it will jump aroung like crazy. |
Posted By: 427435
Date Posted: 26 May 2012 at 10:44am
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There should be grease zerks---------or at least there were on the old disk we had without wheels. It was a "straight" disk (not tandem) and we only used it for filling in dead furrows. We would leave one of the wings folded up and run that side next to the dead furrow. You might want to take along some extra zerks and the tools to change them out (including an E-Z out and tap of the right size). ------------- Mark B10 Allis, 917 Allis, 7116 Simplicity, 7790 Simplicity Diesel, GTH-L Simplicity Ignorance is curable-----stupidity is not. |
Posted By: TedBuiskerN.IL.
Date Posted: 26 May 2012 at 2:58pm
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We always hauled ours on a flat hayrack. Pulled it into a ditch and planked up to the side and pulled it on with a chain. ------------- Most problems can be solved with the proper application of high explosives. |
Posted By: Hays
Date Posted: 27 May 2012 at 5:06pm
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Spent some time and got to know the disk. It's painted an ugly green color -- can't imagine why any sensible farm implement manufacturer would paint something green !! All but one of the grease zerks were intact and all those bearings accepted grease. The missing zerk was on a bearing with a broken hub. 80% of the hub was there, so I lathered it up with grease and will repeat during the haul. I set it up so the disk will run straight, I hope. There is a lot of play in the adjustments, but I would think that given the chance the disks would rather roll straight than not since that would offer the least resistance. Some of the blade are pitted, however, and I won't be surprised if I end up with some raggedy edge -- if not worse. I also tried out 5 - 6 miles per hour, which is not a speed I drive a lot. My truck creeps in second gear at about 6 mph. If you haven't driven 6 mph lately, try it. It's really, really slow! But I'm going to stay at or under that speed and see the sights. Going slow will also allow all of the neighbors along the road to enjoy the music, so really early in the morning is out. Thanks for all the good advice and suggestions. I haven't been on this forum for several years, but used it a lot in its old format. Just as it was then, it is a fabulous source of information. |
Posted By: ky wonder
Date Posted: 30 May 2012 at 9:11am
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i am another one who would reccomend loading on a old flat wagon/trailer from the side, i have moved many that way, like the earlier poster stated all that is needed is a bank or ditch a couple of wide planks and a long stout rope or chain, get the disk in posistion near the bank, line up the wagon, put the boards down as ramps, and pull the disk onto the wagon with a chock bock at the edge to keep it from rolloing clear accross the floor and off the other side ------------- i like old tractors of all colors |
Posted By: Brad(WI)
Date Posted: 30 May 2012 at 1:23pm
| Shouldnt damage the road. We had a large farmer this spring forget to raise his salford vertical tillage tool when he pulled on the road. This is pulled by a 400+ hp articulated deere, prob 40+' wide. Wings up, so full load on main frame. Pulled it out of field, 1/2 mile down blacktop and into next field. Tore up some of the old blacktop where he turned out of the field, but the newer blacktop portion of the road it only gouged the surface, maybe 1/8-1/4". |
Posted By: Herb(GA)
Date Posted: 30 May 2012 at 1:30pm
| Ten miles is a long time, close to two hours. Think how many revolutions; each disc will be getting beat up by the macadam. Teds idea is the best, hopefully you or a neighbor has some kind of wagon or trailer or old flatbed truck. |
Posted By: Hays
Date Posted: 30 May 2012 at 7:16pm
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I moved the disk today, pulling it behind my truck for about 10 miles. The first 4 miles were gravel, then about two miles of hardtop, and then either 4 more miles of hardtop or about 5.5 miles of gravel. I did the last 6 miles on the hardtop. (It's not macadam - it has a hard reddish brown aggregate at the surface.) The disk edges were bright when I got to my place, and sharp -- no chips or breaks. I averaged around 6 mph. The only problem was one of the bearing housings cracked. This was on the same gang as the one that was broken already, so that may been a contributing factor. If I had it to do over, I would definitely move it on the hardtop rather than the gravel. The gravel was bumpy and the disk bounced a lot, even at 4 - 5 mph. The bearing housing was cracked when I checked everything before getting on the highway. The hardtop, of course, was much smoother than the gravel. The disk didn't bounce much and made much less noise. When i came to patches of real blacktop or macadam, it was darn near quiet. The disk left a visible mark on the hardtop but no groove. Thanks for all the advice and good ideas. |
Posted By: FloydKS
Date Posted: 30 May 2012 at 8:27pm
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Glad you had a good trip...the bearing housing may have cracked later, at least that sounds like it was less your fault for taking the bumpy ride. Thanks for the update...another 'proof' that it can be done.
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