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Topic: Four row planter, what to look for?

Posted By: Dean (West MI)
Subject: Four row planter, what to look for?
Date Posted: 11 May 2012 at 9:57pm

Looking for a four row planter, would this be a good deal? http://muskegon.craigslist.org/grd/3010572712.html

What should I look for? Any advice welcomed.

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Posted By: Orange Blood
Date Posted: 11 May 2012 at 10:07pm

http://muskegon.craigslist.org/grd/3010572712.html" rel="nofollow - http://muskegon.craigslist.org/grd/3010572712.html

Well, I don't think it is four row, but rather a two row, with fert boxes, or something similar.

Are you looking for a drill type, as the one shown, or a lister, or a min/no till?

You can pickup a four row allis min/no till for less than 2 grand in most places, I think they are worth less than that frankly. A four row drill planter from Allis, will be in the $400-$800 ballpark I would imagine, not a lot of them out there that I am aware off. Mostly all were two rows.

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Posted By: Dean (West MI)
Date Posted: 11 May 2012 at 10:13pm

Gosh, shows how little I know, thanks for setting me straight. I'm looking for something to plant corn behind my B for food plots.

Posted By: Orange Blood
Date Posted: 11 May 2012 at 10:33pm

Behind the B, is probably going to be a drill type, similar to what you found in that picture, I am not sure if a B can lift a four row, may just fine, I don't know. I think Allis made a mounted planter for the B, and it was a two row, I think. Those are hard to find! If you find a pull type, you will be set, since then you can use various brands, and not be tied to the Allis hitch system. Overall I think you would be in the under $600.00 ballpark, fairly easy.

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Posted By: Dean (West MI)
Date Posted: 12 May 2012 at 8:13am

Thanks for the advice, I will look for a four row pull-behind drill planter for around $600.

Posted By: Orange Blood
Date Posted: 12 May 2012 at 8:41am

Here is one. don't know if it's close to you.

http://lansing.craigslist.org/grd/3010519998.html" rel="nofollow - http://lansing.craigslist.org/grd/3010519998.html

another

http://flint.craigslist.org/grd/2972819525.html" rel="nofollow - http://flint.craigslist.org/grd/2972819525.html

One thing I forgot to mention with a pull type will be how to raise it. Does your B have hydraulics? If not, you may have to find a mechanical lift pull type, which I am not sure anyone ever made??

Posted By: DanD
Date Posted: 12 May 2012 at 9:03am

A two row planter behind a B would be much more handy than a 4 row, especially doing something like planting corn for food plots. I assume you're not going to be doing 500 acres. You need something like the planter in this video if your B happened to be upgraded with a snap coupler or if you had a small tractor with a three point hitch (this planter can be converted to three point hitch in about 10 minutes with a different mounting bracket). One thing about the Allis rear mounted drill planters is that they are very simple...one chain, three shafts, no clutches or lift mechanism, etc. Having said that, you should also be able to find old JD or IH two row pull type planters with mechanical lift. My father (the guy in the video) also has a two row pull type IH planter, but the old Allis mounted planter just works better. Just look for planters that have been stored indoors, some of them in these pictures look like nightmares to me to get working again!
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Posted By: ky wonder
Date Posted: 12 May 2012 at 2:35pm

planters come in all types of brands and price ranges, the older type plate/swords planters are very workable in tilled ground, they where designed simply and easy to maintain and built to last, the same tecnology that was used with a team planter was transfered to the tractor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiUKe13q02k&list=UUezxf2BBeEXbA4Ho_ZWmmfA&index=1&feature=plcp" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiUKe13q02k&list=UUezxf2BBeEXbA4Ho_ZWmmfA&index=1&feature=plcp

these type planters where prevelant throughout the industry untill the no till planters which replaced the swords with disk openers and coulters became popular,

both the sword and no till plate planters are still used heavily today

the next udgrade was air/vacum plateless planters, these are expensive and do a beautiful job at precision planting the corn at the desired spacing in the row, but it takes a lot of crop to support the price of one of these

a two row unit will be about all i would want behind a b, a 4 row on steep ground even if the b had hyd hook ups would load it hard in soft dirt

the old ground driven planters have and will continue to provide planting chores for years to come

the things to look for, would be the following

1. does everything turn freely?

2. are the drive chains in good shape or are they about worn out?

3. are the swords ( furrow oppeners )in decent shape or worn out?

4. are there extra cogs and plates available? (the plates need to match seed size and that can vary greatly from the same seed company, from small flat to large round)

most allis planters with the adapter plate assemblies will use the b series (john deere) seed plates which are readily available

whereas the burch planters that i use are all steel plates and are not as easy to find plates for ( luckily i have every plate they made)

#2 and 3 above are not deal breakers there is a lot of old chain around and swords can be built back up easily

the muskeegon add looks very much like a old oliver 44, with large seedcans and fertilize hoppers

oliver built a great planter thru the 40's and 50's that was there model 44, these where equipped to pull with a 3 point or on a tounge so that could be pulled with horse or tractor, but plates are difficult to come up with

todays seeds are much smaller than the seed of that era so it would be hard to get a modern hybrid corn that would not double drop from the old olivers but for food plot use at a wider row spacing this would not be a great issue, back in the 50's they planted 3-4 kernals in each hill on a check pattern for easier cultivation

i sold this old oliver last spring for $100, basically the same planter in the add above but this one shipped as a manual lift tounge pull and had been converted to a 3 point version. the lift clutch mec. can be seen in center of unit

it looks rough but it worked well and the guy who bought it wanted it just for a garden and could thin out the doubledrops

planters can and do vary a great deal in price,

i have a nearbye local dealership that concentrates on ebay sales, and i sold him the john deer planter in this listing less than two weeks ago for $450.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Used-246-247-John-Deere-2-Row-Corn-Planter-3-Point-CAN-SHIP-CHEAP-FAST-/150808417455?_trksid=m7&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D3%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8369939697654935609" rel="nofollow - http://www.ebay.com/itm/Used-246-247-John-Deere-2-Row-Corn-Planter-3-Point-CAN-SHIP-CHEAP-FAST-/150808417455?_trksid=m7&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D3%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8369939697654935609

, you can see what he is now asking for it, and all he has done is wipe it down with an oily cloth to give it a shine, he also has a couple of nice allis planters you can see them here http://stores.ebay.com/Sweetfarmequipment/_i.html?_fsub=2585025012ut" rel="nofollow - http://stores.ebay.com/Sweetfarmequipment/_i.html?_fsub=2585025012ut he is to high on his prices for my taste.

but he does make his living at this and has a overhead and payroll to deal with and i basicly do it as a hobby, but i traded a one row burch worth 300 to the john deere so i made a profit as well

take your time i have sold 4 two row planters this year, and the most i charged for any of them was 450

good luck

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Posted By: Dean (West MI)
Date Posted: 17 May 2012 at 4:46pm

Thanks everyone for the responses, now I know what to look for.

Posted By: Mjh4363
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2012 at 2:55pm

Looking for AC no till coulters ( tool bar clamp down to disc). Contact me if y'all have any.

Posted By: Mjh4363
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2012 at 3:08pm

The coulters needed are for a 300 series planter.

Posted By: Mjh4363
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2012 at 3:10pm

But I think any series 300,333,etc will probably work. The coulters for those ( and other planter models)were all the same I think.