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Topic: Amish buggies

Posted By: jaybmiller
Subject: Amish buggies
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2012 at 11:00am

Ok, you guys WILL know....

Why do the Amish and/or Mennonite buggies not allowed to have rubber wheels? I realize some 'sects' or 'divisions' allow it but generally it's 'no rubber tires' allowed.

Just curious.

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Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2012 at 11:17am

If the tire holds air then it's considered containing the breath of God and this is not allowed. This is what I was told from someone on this forum.

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Posted By: morton(pa)
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2012 at 12:16pm

ve bisch du buva?

Can't say I've ever heard that one before. Rubber tires translate to a more worldly mode of transportation, and a belief that easy transportation to other places (away from the family) takes away from family time. The same is true with farm equipment and tractors, as they believe these items are to be used for agricultural production and not a mode of transportation. It's more complicated then that but thats the simple way of saying it. Some mennonite buggies, from the Stauffer or "Team" mennonites, do have hard rubber tires that contain no air. (This is also true of the buggies that cater to tourists for rides, as they take the same routes all the time and townships have asked for rubber tires so they do not create rutts in the roads...yes it's possible) These buggies are also black rather then the Amish buggies that are Gray. This is all here in Lancaster. There are different types of Amish and Mennonites (Most of the plain/very conservative mennonite sects are here in lancaster) that have different types of buggies and varying degrees of beliefs of plainness and/or concientious objector status (tracing this back to their anabaptist beliefs.) as well as a few other minor belief differences in other parts of the country. Most of these groups developed over conflicts of progress and beliefs that surround them from the decisions of the bishops of the Lancaster Mennonite Conference. These divisions and creation of other groups of sects of mennonites are known as Schisms. Some Schisms occur among groups that have devided from another conference or sect. Like I said...it's complicated...

From Morton the Mennonite. (Not a Piker/Team, "Black Bumper" (Groffdale Conference), 35'er, or Old Order Mennonite...)

Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2012 at 8:40pm

Morton has a good explanation. I live near Elmira Ontario and we have a mix of Amish and various degrees of Mennonites. Most of the Old Order Mennonites around here have the high pressure mini spare tire from cars as their buggy wheels. It's way too complicated to try to explain.

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Posted By: Walker
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2012 at 11:45pm

There is a younger Amish guy around here with motorcycle wheels and aired tires on his. Looks kinda goofy but its quieter.

Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2012 at 2:40am

whew!

Posted By: cornbinder
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2012 at 6:05am

wayne county has quite a few different "amish communities" it's pretty funny to see the amish with cell phones!LOL of course they are in someone else's name or pre-pay type. they find loop holes too! not all of them though it just depends on which "order" they are from. yeah it can be complicated.

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Posted By: allischalmerguy
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2012 at 8:06am

It is up to the local bishop/elder to decide what is acceptable. Some Amish have bikes some are not allowed. Some have tractors, some can only farm with horses. Up around Hazelton, Iowa you have the old order Amish, no rubber tires, no tractors, all horse power. It is very complicated. Their buggies are black there. Around Kalona Iowa the Amish are more "modern" or use more modern stuff. Again it is up to the bishop/elder of the church, so I am told and read.
Pastor Mike

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Posted By: Bolivar Boy
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2012 at 9:15am

be careful in lumpimg Amish and or Mennonites together. very distinct differences. none of the Mennonites that i know of here in Ohio operate buggies. They are much more "progressive" than their Amish Brothern. yet, the Mennonites' nearly always have an Amish Heritage. some most recently. some generations back. The "progressive" anode most commonly involves the driving of cars and trucks, the use of commercially supplied electricity and pre and post adolesent education. likewise, the Amish Foundation of salvation relegates "works" before "faith" where as the Mennonite Faith follows the more tradational Christian Belief Doctrine of faith being the developer of works.....

Posted By: Seth Souerdike
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2012 at 10:48am

because the want to live life like they did in the 1800s and rubber tires wer'nt around yet.

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Posted By: morton(pa)
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2012 at 8:24pm

allischalmersguy makes a very good point. Most times it is up to the Bishop to decide. However, to expand on what Bolivar Boy said:

Both the Amish and Mennonites developed out of the Annabaptist movement in Europe. The Amish developed out of the teachings of Jacob Aumann and the Mennonites out of the beliefs of Menno Simons. The Annabaptists believed in Adult Baptisims and peace/non-violence, among a few other things such as a literal interpretation of the Sermon on the Mount. As times progressed, groups have formed out of the main body of the church, which, like I explained before, usually become either new conferences or "schisms". In the amish, listed in progressive to conservative in views, you have the amish/mennonites, the "Beachy Amish", the Old Order Amish, and the Swartzendruber Amish. In the Mennonite faith, you have the Progressive Mennonite churches(Who are not recognized by mennonite church USA in some cases due to their beliefs), the General Conference Mennonites (Mennonite church USA. You would most likely not be able to tell one from looking at them if you didn't know what to look for. This is where I fall into place. This is also the largest group of mennonites. Within this group are conferences that have varying degrees of conservativeness. Conferences include Lancaster Conference, Franconia Conference, Atlantic Coast Conference, etc. These are usually based on Geography and beliefs), the Conservative Mennonites, the Old Order Mennonites (which include the Stauffer Mennonites, the Weaverland Conference mennonites, the Groffdale conference mennonites, and the "35ers", all groups that developed either from the Lancaster Conference, or one of the groups in this group). Theres still a ton of other groups or conferences not listed, or you may know some by different names. If you have any more specific questions, please feel free to ask. I know it can be complicated at times. If your interested in learning more or trying to understand it, you can visit this article and look at this article, especially the worship, doctrine, and tradition section:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mennonite#Theology" rel="nofollow - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mennonite#Theology

or this website for specifics:

http://www.gameo.org/" rel="nofollow - http://www.gameo.org/

Like I said before, any questions just ask. I'd be more then happy to explain it.