Massey Ferguson
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Topic: Massey Ferguson
Posted By: BrianC
Subject: Massey Ferguson
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2012 at 8:18pm
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I don't see much love for Massey Ferguson on this site. What are the issues? Are their 1600 ans 2600 tractors OK? |
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Posted By: ky wonder
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2012 at 8:22pm
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the lack of love is because the agco company forsake there namesake brand and started pushing the mf brand,
these small tractors are very likely japanese tractors with ferguson paint ------------- i like old tractors of all colors |
Posted By: mdtractormechanic
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2012 at 11:21pm
Just a thought.  ------------- Joe's 1939 Model WC, 1940 Model RC, 1944 & 1950 Model C's, B-125 PU |
BrianC wrote:Posted By: BrianC
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2012 at 12:31am
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I went to the AGCO site looking around, you have to hunt for mention of Gleaner. They don't rate front page. So I guess AGCO is forsaking the other half of their heritage also. Yes I know this is an Allis-Chalmers fan website. This means we all have something over 25 years old. This website is fantastic for A/C support. I haven't yet found an equal for other makes. I have read about the Allis buyout and mergers and more buyouts. Enough to make your head spin. I can't find information on every Allis site, but I do wonder if there is any former Allis-Chalmers plant still making any kind of ag or industrial stuff. Thanks |
Posted By: michaelwis
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2012 at 12:50am
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Just remember MF , doesnt always mean Massey Ferguson ------------- WD WD45 DIESEL D 14 D-15 SERIES 2 190XT TERRA TIGER ac allcrop 60 GLEANER F 6060 7040.and attachments for all Proud to be an active farmer |
Posted By: BStone
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2012 at 5:17am
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Posted By: Brian S(NY)
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2012 at 5:49am
Mike, You just made me laugh. ------------- God made man.Sam colt made man equal. |
Posted By: Brian S(NY)
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2012 at 5:54am
wasnt gonna but now I will. ... A buddie of mine was a massy mecanic till he moved back north and now is a kubota mechanic. He has said that many of the massy products were very good. Some of the newer small compacts are very inexpensive and cheap and break easy and often. ------------- God made man.Sam colt made man equal. |
Posted By: David Maddux
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2012 at 7:08am
| Back in 1965 Dad tried out both a massey 65 and a D-17. He bought the massey. I wonder what an impact it would have been if he would have went the other way. It might have made me an AC fanatic, you recon? Dave. |
Posted By: B26240
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2012 at 7:21am
| I used to own a 230 MF made in 1979 and it was a very good tractor, it had the three cylinder perkins that is used in the 160 AC However I am with everybody else in their views of the present management and can't understand their thinking as they seem to be running away from AGCO's heritage. |
Posted By: JarrodACFan
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2012 at 7:58am
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Here is my theory: I have no problem whatsoever with Massey Ferguson, in fact, my uncle has a MF combine. I do have a big problem with AGCO corporate, though. I am dissapointed, like many others, that AGCO made a stupid decision in 2009. I myself, after college, probably will not buy a MF because I know that the money goes back to the same people who made that stupid decision in 2009. Sorry for the long post. ------------- 1956 WD45 Narrow Front Factory Power Steering, 1953 WD Wide Front Allis Express in Muncie, IN |
Posted By: gary ny
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2012 at 8:07am
| I have owned masseys in the past and found them very well made and dependable . I think that all the brands out there had there good points and there bad. I have 22 allis tractors and I can look at them and see things that could have been designed better but sometimes those things add to the charactor of the tractor and add to the fun of using them |
Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2012 at 9:14am
------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: Dave in il
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2012 at 9:40am
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I hear all the time that Allis Chalmers ended in 1985 even though the ALLIS part of Duetz-Allis and the fact that the Allis Gleaner company was formed buy former executives of Allis Chalmers after the failure of Duetz would suggest otherwise. In th US, Massey Ferguson made good small tractors and some pretty good larger tractors through the 1100 series. By the early 80's they weren't making combines any more (Massey Harris invented the self propelled combine.) and their larger tractors weren't very popular. Their dealer network was nonexistant in the midwest and if you ran Massey equipment you were the butt of the neighbors jokes, or were considered too cheap to buy good machinery. Now noone says Massey Ferguson ended when it was bought by AGCO but I don't see much differene. The management at AGCO decided MF is the name they want to market because of word wide recognition. But in North America they kill off their name brand, which was their best seller and then added Valtra and Fendt and push Massey. The reason I'm not happy with AGCO is the management ------------- AGCO My Allis Gleaner Company |
Posted By: Rfdeere
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2012 at 10:13am
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Massey Harris did not invent the self propelled combine. It was invented by a man named George Stockton Berry, click link for info:
http://www.asabe.org/awards-landmarks/asabe-historic-landmarks/first-self-propelled-combine-49.aspx" rel="nofollow - http://www.asabe.org/awards-landmarks/asabe-historic-landmarks/first-self-propelled-combine-49.aspx ------------- Randy Freshour,Member Indiana AC Partners, http://www.rumelyallis.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.rumelyallis.com |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2012 at 10:37am
| Its kinda ironic Allis and Massey were talking merger in the 80,s - but both needed money so that couldnt work; MF tractors are simple, rugged and just like any other have issues , its the Agco management that aggrivates me , but hey its their baby now ; is that right that Agco is trying to get down to 200 dealers in NA ??? That just sounds crazy ; i kno they are trying to cater to the big time farmers ; and with internet and overnite deliveries , it is possible ; but dam i kno of alot of smaller guys who prefer to go to the dealer and get thier stuff ; we,ll see i guess |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2012 at 12:03pm
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some of the small compact tractors MF sold in the 70's & 80's were built by Toyosha of Japan, same as AC 5020, 5030. I think one of the models is 210?
------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: mdtractormechanic
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2012 at 2:36pm
BStoned says, "Your having the wrong thoughts." What? How?  ------------- Joe's 1939 Model WC, 1940 Model RC, 1944 & 1950 Model C's, B-125 PU |
Posted By: ncrc5315
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2012 at 5:02pm
| The "Massey Ferguson's" of today, are probably the best built tractors on the market. The ones I have are dependable, and the CVT transmission can't beat. Here's where I have a problem. AGCO claims that they don't' have any heritage to Allis Chalmers, that their heritage started with Deutz Allis. Okay, I'll give them that, but then they have just as much heritage to Massey, as they do Allis Chalmers, which is none. So then why is it that in every Massey Brochure, is there this "history of Massey Ferguson"? There are no ties to Massey, other then the name. The Massey Tractor of today is a modified Fendt, and the combine grew out of the White combine. At least with Gleaner, it is still a Gleaner. The attitude is typical german, we know what is best for you. Also, when I bought my last AGCO tractor, I was told that AGCO was committed to the brand/color, six months later, the orange was gone, I figure it cost my balance sheet 15%. It was kind of funny though, I was at a farm show this past winter, talking to the Massey rep, when I asked him if Massey was going to get a four wheel drive? I got the usual talk about the challenger would have the four wheel drive line, at which point I just looked at him and said, "You guys only wanted to deal with two colors, I only want to deal with one". He really didn't know what to say. I figure I just as well throw it right back at them. |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2012 at 5:06pm
| Now thats a very good point, too bad they have to keep CAT happy , or the ORANGE prolly would,ve stayed |
Posted By: BrianC
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2012 at 7:25pm
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A Massey Ferguson is just a re-badged Fendt? Oh brother. So the vast manufacturing facilities of Ferguson, Massey and Harris are gone? The 1965 MF 65 tractor, can AGCO-Massey Ferguson supply parts for that, say transmission gears and bearings? If yes, is it NOS, or are they still making replacement parts as needed. So John Deere is the sole survivor? |
Posted By: dave63
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2012 at 7:37pm
------------- The universal answer to all questions is yes, how much do you want to spend? |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2012 at 7:38pm
| I think pretty much , yeah JOHN DEERE is the sole survivor of the tractor and equipment manufacturing business |
Posted By: BrianC
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2012 at 8:11pm
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Wow take a look: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_former_tractor_manufacturers Our fav made the list twice, as Allis-Chalmers and Duetz-Allis. So far, I don't miss Oldsmobile, Pontiac, Saturn and Hummer. But I wish I could walk into a real A/C tractor dealer and look over the 2012 tractors. Hopefully the lot would be full of stout, low rpm, quiet tractors. The big buzz is over the new Global Orange color. |
Posted By: BStone
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2012 at 7:29am
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Posted By: mdtractormechanic
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2012 at 9:57am
 I wrote: Do you think it may have something to do with this being an Allis Chalmers website?
Just a thought.
Then you write, 'Thought Thought you were meaning that the people may only want to talk about AC's....and this wasn't the place to talk about MF and shouldn't be bringing them up.'
That is quite a stretch from what I wrote to your interpretation. I personally don't care which tractor they talk about as I like all old machines but common sense would dictate that you don't go to an Allis Chalmers website that was created for the love, preservation and discussion of that brand and expect the same enthusiasm for MF products.
As far as kin, if this was an AGCO site then I would agree (to some degree) but it's not. Stating that AC and MF are kin is like saying Chevy to Ford are kin. Yes, they are cousins in the sense that they are both cars makers. But I doubt Chevy and Ford lovers would agree they are related...LOL ------------- Joe's 1939 Model WC, 1940 Model RC, 1944 & 1950 Model C's, B-125 PU |
Posted By: Kip-Utah
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2012 at 10:26am
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I might as well come out of the closet. I actually have quite a fondness for Fergies. For much the same reason that I do A-Cs. The first new tractor that grandpa bought after the '35 WC was a MF35 Diesel. There were also a couple of other used WCs that came along in between these two. But I digress...The Harry Ferguson part of MFs geneaology is a truly fascinating story. Mr. Ferguson was an amazing fellow. So on the Hansen Dairy and farm A-C and MF were partners long before the modern German conspiracy. That little Red & Flint Grey tractor was an amazing little work-horse and that 3-cylinder Perkins diesel acted like it was bigger than it really was. Boy did that tractor perform. All that being said, this is a site for Allis enthusiasts, but that doesn't mean we have to disparage the other brand's. I for one LIKE all the old farm tractors and equipment from our past, but LOVE the orange ones! ------------- HANSEN'S OLD ORANGE IRON. Showing, Pulling, & Going!! |
Posted By: BStone
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2012 at 10:58am
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Posted By: MI8050
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2012 at 5:07pm
| They can call my new Massey planter a Massey, but I know it's really a White. I wish it was orange and said AC on it somewhere..... |
Posted By: Dave in il
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2012 at 7:13pm
You could have told the dealer to order your new planter without Massey decals. They can and will do it. Remember the customer is always right, especially when you have your checkbook in hand. The moron at the top of the company can deny the poor performance in North America is due to bad marketing decisions. But if enough people send rhe message "I won't buy it if it says Massey Ferguson on it!" it would sink in. ------------- AGCO My Allis Gleaner Company |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2012 at 12:19am
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You could also take the decals off and if you are really ambitious, repaint it the White colors or for that matter, AC colors. Your machine, your choice. I'm thinking of repainting my Hesston 4600 baler PO 1, just for the heck of it. ------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: JayIN
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2012 at 6:58am
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I wouldnt be on here if this were a Duetz- Allis site or AGCO site. Masseys are mostly crap. Not all. AGCO is ALL crap. ------------- sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?" |
Posted By: Byron WC in SW Wi
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2012 at 7:17am
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I agree that it's management issues, that they lied when they said they would support it and then didn't, and I don't think they'll change. Having said that the other day I was thinking about all the little tractor dealers. There was JD, MF, AC all within a stones throw of my grandpas. When we were in high school we used to drive around the country and just stop at every dealer we saw and try to by a toy. Now dealers are mostly big and many have multiple stores. I still would rather deal with the family owned store. |
Posted By: MACK
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2012 at 7:30am
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When it was Allis Chalmers we did some warrenty work but after it was AGCO we did alot of warrenty work.
I never liked working on Deutz but when you sold one you could forget where they went because they would not be back for repair but after MF got in the picture you knew they would be back for repair. We had two that AGCO spent more in warrenty than they cost.
I'm sure the guy ment MF stood for (Miss Fit) lol MACK
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Posted By: jtheise4
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2012 at 10:20am
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Some of the newer small compacts are very inexpensive and cheap and break easy and often. That's not true at all. I have a MF1643. Its manufactured by Iseki in Japan. The build quality is incredible. MF compact utility tractors are some of the best built and most reliable tractors in the industry. ------------- 1958 D14 |