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Can a hyd. pump be rehabbed?

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Topic: Can a hyd. pump be rehabbed?
Posted By: ChuckLuedtkeSEWI
Subject: Can a hyd. pump be rehabbed?
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2012 at 12:54pm
Going through all the little things on this D19, I still haven't gotten any hydraulics.   So I thought I would tear into that today.   This tractor did have a front pump on it, so I figured something bad happened to the belly pump, but I wanted to see whether it could be fixed or not, so I could determine if I was gonna take this tractor and make it a full time puller, or if I could get the hydraulics all working again and keep the lift arms etc. on the back and then take it to plow days etc.  
So I proceeded to take the cover off and with it came a bunch of roller pins and broken rollers.   My first thought was that I would take the pump out to see the lobes on the shaft all screwed up as well, but when I pulled the pump down, the lobes look perfect.   There is a little rust on two of them but feeling around on them with my fingers they feel just fine.  
Here's the pump.  As you can see two of the rollers are gone, and the third one the pivot arm is half broke, and the fourth one is lodged in towards the pump.
Here is a picture of the lobes on the shaft in the tractor.   They all look and feel good.   There is a bit of rust on two of them, but this tractor sat for some time and who knows how long ago this pump went atomic.  And what would cause all of these parts to let loose, low fluid level?    
So is it possible to find the parts I need and fix this pump or am I better off looking for another one.  And was this style pump unique to the D19's or was it the same as some of the earlier D17's.  It would be nice to get it back together so the rear lift works on it.   I know this hydraulic system is no where near as good as a front pump system but all I'm looking to do is use the rear lift and possibly a cylinder on a haybine/baler etc. so this system if working will be fine.  
 


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1955 WD45 diesel 203322 was my dad's tractor, 1966 D15 23530, 1961 HD3 Crawler 1918, 1966 D17 IV 83495, 1937 WC 41255, 1962 D19 6221



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Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2012 at 1:03pm
If it's just the cam followers, I would think it might be pretty easy to fix. It might be possible to buy a parts pump and make one out of 2. It would be interesting to hear if the pumps were the same from one model to another.I have no idea why that would come apart like that.


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Posted By: ChuckLuedtkeSEWI
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2012 at 1:17pm
Doing some digging, the D19 follower assembly and the D17 follower assembly have the same part numbers on AGCO's website, 70235719.  The D14 and the D15 follower assembly also has the same part numbers.   That's good to know, now whether or not they are still available.  

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1955 WD45 diesel 203322 was my dad's tractor, 1966 D15 23530, 1961 HD3 Crawler 1918, 1966 D17 IV 83495, 1937 WC 41255, 1962 D19 6221


Posted By: BrettPhillips
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2012 at 2:51pm

Chuck:

Much of the hydraulic pump is interchangeable throughout the D series, if not the whole pump.  I wouldn't be surprised if there aren't parts that are interchangeable with the WD and CA pumps as well.



Posted By: NICKMI
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2012 at 6:11pm
When my 17 went atomic like that I used cam followers from a wd donor pump only difference in followers I noticed was the ones on the 17 had holes drilled in rollers I assume so mote oil can get in there my cam was way worse than urs my hyds work ok now a little slow from the cam being so worn good luck


Posted By: norm[ind]
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2012 at 6:43pm
  we have d-15-17 pumps available  1-800-254-3116 that came from working tractors


Posted By: Bill Long
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2012 at 6:53pm
You know, it is somewhat hard for me to realize that the D19 hid pump is almost the same as a WD, WD45, a CA, a D-14, and D-17. Interesting the shelf life of that low volume high pressure pump.
It that is so it should be easy to repair.
Let us know how it goes.
Good luck!
Bill Long
Ps: If I can fix them I KNOWyou can


Posted By: Chalmersbob
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2012 at 9:29pm
I have a CA and a WD pump that I would sell. The CA pump has a crack in the Drawbar  control housing. Bob



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