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Topic: OLD DIES
Posted By: SIMPLICITY
Subject: OLD DIES
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2012 at 8:24pm
 DOES ANYONE  KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THE DIES THAT WERE USED TO STAMP HOODS &  GRILLES ON AG TRACTORS?       THANKS THAD



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Posted By: Rfdeere
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2012 at 8:56pm
   If you are reffering to Allis Chalmers, they were most likely trashed when Deutz destroyed everything AC they could.

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Posted By: Kip-Utah
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2012 at 11:28pm
Wow! I thought that you meant that Old died!!

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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2012 at 2:48am
Originally posted by Kip-Utah Kip-Utah wrote:

Wow! I thought that you meant that Old died!!
So did I!

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Posted By: farmtoybuilder
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2012 at 7:46am
Scraped!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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5 different TT-10's,5 TT-18's Terra Tigers,B-10,2 B-207's,B-110,2 B-112's,HB-112,B-210,B-212,HB212,2 Scamp's & Homilite T-10. Still hunting NICE HB-112 & anything Terra Tiger & Trailers for them.   


Posted By: AllisChalmers37
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2012 at 7:47am
Originally posted by Lonn Lonn wrote:

Originally posted by Kip-Utah Kip-Utah wrote:

Wow! I thought that you meant that Old died!!
So did I!
 
Same here, I was starting to freak out.
 


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1937 WC, 1950 CA, 1959 D14, 1967 190XT, 2006 Ram 3500


Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2012 at 11:54am
I just saw a post of his and I did a double take!

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"Allis-Express"
19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17


Posted By: norm[ind]
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2012 at 4:04pm
  info i was told lots of them werestoredin the caves in mo.  some were damaged so they were inoperable   like the air line connections   my 2 cents


Posted By: Rfdeere
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2012 at 4:06pm
   Caves in MO ?

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Randy Freshour,Member Indiana AC Partners,
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Posted By: CAL(KS)
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2012 at 4:36pm
caves in missouri..  thats why they have tour guides.. to make sure you dont find the stash lol

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Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15


Posted By: JoeO(CMO)
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2012 at 4:42pm
Caves in MO?    Stash?     Do you mean the same location where the stills are?

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Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2012 at 6:50pm
Out by Kansas City AC had a parts operation there , most of it is underground , i think Agco still has it


Posted By: Rfdeere
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2012 at 6:53pm
Originally posted by DougG DougG wrote:

Out by Kansas City AC had a parts operation there , most of it is underground , i think Agco still has it
 
   Really ?? Wonder what's hidden in there ?


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Randy Freshour,Member Indiana AC Partners,
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Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2012 at 7:16pm
I think it was called "Area 54"...  LOL!
Steve@B&B


Posted By: Orange Blood
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2012 at 7:20pm
I worked at an FAA site in one of those caves, never say any sings for Agco, but then again I would have never imagined the FAA, known for working with things in the AIR, to be hidden underground!

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Posted By: Bolivar Boy
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2012 at 9:51pm
that was "car 54".


Posted By: LouSWPA
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2012 at 10:46pm
Originally posted by Steve in NJ Steve in NJ wrote:

I think it was called "Area 54"...  LOL!
Steve@B&B
Steve, I believe you mean area -45!


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Wait for the Lord;
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Posted By: 427435
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2012 at 11:01pm
The "caves" are old salt caves in the KC area that have been turned into storage areas for lease.

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Mark

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Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2012 at 12:05am
Area 51

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Posted By: Jordan(OH)
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2012 at 1:00am
If AGCO still has them them will be painted red and designated area Massey 54.  Lol for "lots of losers" at AGCO


Posted By: AllisFreak MN
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2012 at 8:03am
Originally posted by Jordan(OH) Jordan(OH) wrote:

If AGCO still has them them will be painted red and designated area Massey 54.  Lol for "lots of losers" at AGCO
Now that's funny right there.


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'49 A-C WD, '51 A-C WD, '63 A-C D17 Series III, 1968 A-C One-Seventy, '82 A-C 6060, '75 A-C 7040, A-C #3 sickle mower, 2 A-C 701 wagons, '78 Gleaner M2


Posted By: Clay
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2012 at 1:21pm
The Kansas City caves are called  SubTropolis, the largest underground office complex in the world. It’s built into a maze of former limestone quarries beneath Kansas City. All sorts of businesses lease space down there, and all sorts of people actually report to work there. Even better, because the weather underground is relatively constant, the office complex requires neither heating or cooling.
With 5 million square feet of leased warehouse, light-industry, and office space, and a network of more than two miles of rail lines and six miles of roads, SubTropolis is the world’s largest underground business complex.

With 5 million square feet of leased warehouse, light-industry, and office space, and a network of more than two miles of rail lines and six miles of roads, SubTropolis is the world’s largest underground business complex—and one of eight or so in the area. To people along this stretch of the Missouri River, however, subterranean development also represents an innovative local way to save energy and reduce greenhouse-gas emissions.

In the 1960s, the  http://www.huntmidwest.com/" rel="nofollow - Hunt Midwest  company, which owns SubTropolis, began renting out space created by limestone mining. When the energy crisis hit in the 1970s, people came to appreciate the advantages of locating businesses underground. That rationale is even more compelling today. More energy in the United States now goes to heating and cooling buildings than to powering cars and light trucks. Underground, the constant ambient temperature leads to greatly reduced heating and air-conditioning demands—about 85 percent lower than for a building on the surface, according to Donald Woodard, the former director of underground planning at nearby Park University (which may be the only school to have such a position).

http://www.vanguardpkg.com/" rel="nofollow - Vanguard Packaging , a SubTropolis firm that manufactures cardboard displays for retail stores, aims for a zero carbon footprint. “We have 380,000 square feet that we’re not heating or cooling,” says CEO Mark Mathes. He hopes to install a wind turbine on the surface that would generate as much electricity as the company consumes.

Since subterranean offices lack roofs, external siding, flooring, and the usual support structures, they require fewer energy-intensive construction materials like steel and aluminum. Moreover, the low permeability of the limestone and intervening layers of shale keeps goods and records dry—an attribute, no doubt, that inspired the Postal Service to store its stamps down there.

Underground, a business’s environmental impact can be smaller, explains John Carmody, the director of the University of Minnesota Center for Sustainable Building Research, because no trees or other plants need to be cut, nor wetlands filled, to make way for commerce or industry. Gains can be made in urban planning as well, Carmody says: “By putting more resources underground, you can preserve surface land and make a denser city.”

Of course, working underground has its quirks. The weather in SubTropolis, for example, is predictable: “overcast and mid-60s,” as habitués like to say. Employees don’t get to see the sky, but what they do see, after driving through a hole in the side of a hill to reach their offices, is an endless expanse of limestone—walls, ceiling, pillars, and floor—all painted white. (Most of the “streets” are named after geologic layers of limestone and shale.) A facilities manager compared working underground to being in a mall, but the cavernous expanse more closely resembles an oversize parking garage, with some 10,000 limestone support pillars laid out in a grid, 40 feet apart. Office humor has it that, instead of getting a corner office by way of promotion, you get a pillar.

More than 10 percent of the industrial space in greater Kansas City is located “down under,” covering about 25 million square feet—an area bigger than the downtown business district. Mining limestone for use in roadway construction and agriculture continues, with additional acreage carved out each year. The same sort of facilities exist in Kentucky, Pennsylvania, and Tennessee. But with 90 percent of the world’s subsurface office space—and 45 million additional square feet available for future occupancy in SubTropolis alone—Kansas City is in the vanguard, chipping away at the energy problem one chunk of limestone at a time.




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