Small diesel engine needed
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Topic: Small diesel engine needed
Posted By: CBL95
Subject: Small diesel engine needed
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2012 at 3:27pm
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Hi all, sorry about such the long post,but at school we are building a Super Mileage Car in our pre-engineering class that my dad teaches. This is the first year to do the super mileage car so we just went in the stock class, well i have been pestering dad since we started about doing a diesel powered unlimited class car. I am also in the Diesel Tech program where i have learned a whole lot about the stock side of diesel engines but our teachers is very into the performance side of things,gas and diesel so we get to hear and learn a lot of the performance ideas that did or didnt work and what can and cant be done. All this has got me thinking, the biggest problem is weight, so i talked to my teacher in diesel class and he suggested using a small single or twin cylinder perkapiller (A.K.A. Perkins built engine with yellow paint and cat stickers on it and sold as a cat) or kubota or something like that and having as much of the internal parts such as pistons,rods etc be made out of aluminum and the lesser strained parts like the valve cover,etc. be made out of fiber glass or carbon fiber like the body of the car. so all of this to ask whats your alls opinion on doing something like that and where in gods green earth can i find a small diesel like that as i have yet to find ANYTHING that really fits the bill,my teacher has one of the perkapillers but hes keeping it to repower and UTV someday, does anyone have any ideas as to aquiring one?? Thanks and godbless, Cort Lamey |
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Posted By: Gary in da UP
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2012 at 4:31pm
| I think you would be hard pressed to do better than a Mecedes 4 cyl. from the 80's. I got a buddy that runs several, including a greaser. Very thrifty on fuel and cheap to buy, get one with a manual trans tho. Good luck |
Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2012 at 4:35pm
| There was a local guy selling some refer engines on craigs list awhile back. If I see the ad again I'll let you know. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2012 at 4:40pm
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friend has a Mercedes about 1980 that runs on vegtable oil.. He picks up grease at the local restraunt anf filters it.. Meredeces of that vintage is very adaptable to anything. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: oldironguy
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2012 at 4:52pm
| I don't know anything about diesel engines and can't help you find a source. However, I do want to encourage you and your classmates in seeking inovation. You and your generation will be the ones who find ways out of the messes our generation and the ones that came before us made on this planet. Go for it! |
Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2012 at 5:05pm
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How big is the car going to be? The little Yanmar diesels John Deere used in large garden tractors can usually be found on Evilbay. I worked with a guy that had several diesel powered Ford Escorts and a diesel Chevy LUV. He claimed to average about 60 MPG. Now that I think about it, don't the European Smart cars have a diesel in them? ------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: john(MI)
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2012 at 5:33pm
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I also see them on CL on occasion. For Sale: Farm and Garden. ------------- D14, D17, 5020, 612H, CASE 446 |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2012 at 6:11pm
| The seed cart part of my concord air seeder (a model 1502), has a Lombardini 2 cylinder air cooled diesel engine on it that drives the fan. It'll run for 10 hours on 5 gallons of fuel. If you could find one of them, it would get you some mileage. Darrel |
Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2012 at 7:01pm
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Burden's Surplus Center at Lincoln, NE shows small diesels in their catalog, and on line at www.surpluscenter.com Gerald J. |
Posted By: CBL95
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2012 at 7:14pm
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thanks guys and brian the whole car is 9 feet long x 24 in wide at widest point and the problem with the small car engine is that the entire engine compartment is only 40in long. In the stock class they give you a 3.5hp briggs engine and you can only mount it,contect the control cables,levers, and drive components and thats it. To power the rear wheel (our wheel configuration is 2 up front and one powered wheel in the back) we will mount a wheel directly on the crankpulley that will be held against the ground wheel making it spin and the car go forward. as a clutch system we are going to put the engine/drive wheel assembly on rails with springs to keep tension on the ground wheel. Dad got that idea from a old jd elevator we used to have. We will run 3 10mi. heats and during each heat the idea is to get up to the teams disired speed and then coast as long as possible only sending power to the wheels when needed to keep the speed within 3-4 mph of the desired speed. Also with the clutch system we are using the drive wheel coming of the engine will create enough centrifugal force to easy the load on the engine even at idle further increasing the fuel economy. The target mpg is about 2000-2500mpg sorry for the long post again but thought some people might be intersted in how we are doing this and when i figure out how to put pics on here i will put up some pics of the car so far.
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Posted By: TomMN
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2012 at 7:21pm
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I'm 700 miles or more from Winslow, IN so it's probably too far away, but I have a Yanmar diesel on a generator that I would like to sell. The engine runs nice but my camper doesn't like the power the generator puts out. It will run the air compressor all day but my refrigerator stays on gas because it doesn't see the AC properly. I have one of the quiet Honda inverters now so I would like to sell this one. |
Posted By: CBL95
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2012 at 7:32pm
| tom can you maybe get me some dimensions,weight and model number? and what youd like to get out of it. |
Posted By: Russ SCPA
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2012 at 7:34pm
| F2L912 Deutz? Might be too heavy, not sure if you could find a smaller single cylinder, you moght check with Stauffer Diesel in New Holland, Pa. |
Posted By: 427435
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2012 at 7:43pm
I was going to suggest the same thing. I've got one (18.5 hp) in a Simplicity garden tractor. Being air cooled, you don't need the weight and complexity of a radiator. If the car is small (low wind resistance) and light, 15-20 hp will go a long ways. For max efficiency, direct drive a generator, use an electric motor to drive the wheels. ------------- Mark B10 Allis, 917 Allis, 7116 Simplicity, 7790 Simplicity Diesel, GTH-L Simplicity Ignorance is curable-----stupidity is not. |
darrel in ND wrote:Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2012 at 8:13pm
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There's a 10HP diesel, made in China( WHERE else...) that I always figured might be nice in a 'G'. About $500 Canadian bucks when on sale.Standard 1" horizontal shaft, electric start,complete.
great..now you've got me thinking about that G swap........
Jay
------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Hurst
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2012 at 9:35pm
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You might get in touch with this guy. He had some small air cooled diesels that were Yanmer clones for sale. It looks like he is sold out of the 10hp models, but he might be able to help you locate some more and possibly bigger ones. If you do the electric drive, you could also consider running 2 engines with 2 generators feeding one motor and only cut on the 2nd motor when you need the power, that way running the engines at a higher load and efficiency point. http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=335653%20" rel="nofollow - http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=335653 Hurst ------------- 1979 Allis Chalmers 7000 5800 Hours |
Posted By: Walker
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2012 at 9:55pm
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Don't know if this is bigger than you want but google Glens Surplus Shelby Oh. and look for Continental diesel. He has them with or without transmission and I was there Sunday and two were on the floor then. I even tried to talk Mama into one for her Tracker but she wouldn't go for it. I think they are Mil surplus. |
Posted By: TomMN
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2012 at 10:06pm
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Sorry, I didn't respond to the question that was posted. I was away a couple days after this post and I didn't get the usual emails regarding further responses. What I have is a NDK-6000YE generator from MMD Equipment. http://www.mmdequipment.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.mmdequipment.com The engine is a Yanmar L100AE-DEG6NA 10 horse power diesel. The dry weight is listed as 236 pounds. I would like to get at least $500 for it. |
Posted By: CBL95
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2012 at 10:34pm
| Thanks Tom but 200lb is just little to heavy,275 lb is the target total weight with driver. I believe i have found what i, a lombardini 3.7 horse 56lb recoil start and thank the good Lord Jesus it a DIRECT INJECTION!!! not a condemed IDI. Now the only problem is finding someone that carries them hmmmm, im going to start monday calling all the full line kohlar dealers since kohlar is eho imports them from Italy |
Posted By: TomMN
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2012 at 10:40pm
| That weight is the whole generator, I don't know what the engine alone weighs. Good luck with it, it sounds like a lot of fun. |