Deutz-Allis equip.
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Topic: Deutz-Allis equip.
Posted By: NickT(Ky)
Subject: Deutz-Allis equip.
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2012 at 7:51pm
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Who made the discbines for Deutz-Allis? Thanks, Nick
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Posted By: agcodick
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2012 at 8:16pm
I believe they are a Deutz Fahr product. I have a brochure on them and it also says greenland on it as well. Not really sure. They were also sold here in the US as a Hesston model and in a couple of models for Massey Ferguson.
Dick
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Posted By: NickT(Ky)
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2012 at 8:44pm
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Thank You Sir! I'm going to try to look at one tomorrow, was trying to learn a little more about them.
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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2012 at 9:03pm
I have an SM70 and really like it. It does a better job with gopher mounds then the neighbor's brand new Hesston and I like that the blades can be changed real fast without wrenches. I had a bearing go out in that square tube up front above the disc bed. I didn't realize a shaft with bearings was in there so that the disc bed is driven from each end. I have it apart right now. i assume oil goes into that square beam but the operators manual is as clear as mud as to how to add the oil and check it or even if there is oil in there. Either that or the bearings are supposed to be sealed without oil in the square tube. On a real smooth field I can cut at 9 mph with no problems. That's all the faster I dare drive.
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Posted By: Hurst
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2012 at 11:57pm
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Are you looking at the one on the Louisville Craigslist in New Albany, IN? I saw that one pop up a few days ago. Looks like a well cared for unit.
Hurst
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1979 Allis Chalmers 7000
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Posted By: Ky.Allis
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2012 at 2:13pm
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I have one that is branded Vermeer Delta that cuts 9'2". It is the same mower that is on Louisville craiglist only yellow in color. They were made by PZ in Holland. I've had mine since 1985 and it has cut several thousand acres over the years. I have been able to get parts from Hesston dealer,but I have a feeling parts are going to get hard to find. It has been a good machine with minimal downtime. On the downside,they are kinda hard to work on and header floation is not the best design. Mine has roller conditioner,but they were also available with rotary tine conditioner. What I like most about is it cuts 9'2" and the transport width is 9'2". If it is like mine,the wheel on the right side leans a little. It's not bent,it's made that way--suppose to improve tracking and side draft. The cutterbar is split in the middle--it drives from both ends--suppose to run cooler,but it does add more moving parts and A more complex drive system.
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Posted By: NickT(Ky)
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2012 at 7:03pm
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Hurst, that's the one. I bought it today. The owner Tony is a real nice guy. This unit is green, a little disappointed that it's not orange. He showed me that it drives from both ends. I have a GEHL discbine that is a real cutting machine and is easy to pull. Some discbines use up a lot of h.p. I couldn't pass this unit up and would be a good back-up in place of the 488 N.H. haybine I have. May sell the 488 this spring. It is in excellent shape and cuts alfalfa at 6mph. Havn't got it home yet but have all winter to do it. Ky Allis, that is some good info. Tony has a parts book that comes with it but I am interested in an owners manual. Anybody? Thanks, Nick
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Posted By: Ky.Allis
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2012 at 12:08am
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What conditiong type is it ? If it has the rollers like mine ,you will want to keep the NH haybine for cutting alfalfa. Mine does great in first cutting alfalfa that is thicker,taller,few weeds or whatever,but 2nd,3rd,4th? cutting it will not cut clean leaving a ragged stuble and skipping over some of the shorter plants. It's because the wind from the rollers is actually blowing the crop forward before it is cut off.
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Posted By: smokey
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2012 at 5:39am
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Nick, you my want to see if they offer a high lift knife for your newest buy, because you must have a 2412 Gehl and they made a high lift knife for that I can't remember the part # but it worked well for some of my customers here! but at turtle speed of 3000 rpm the high lift knife will lift more sand and wear the blade out sooner if you have sandy ground, just a thought.
Good luck.
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Posted By: NickT(Ky)
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2012 at 5:58am
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Smokey, the Gehl has the pitched knives. They are wider than what was on the Allis. Around here it is red clay and a few rocks! I will need some blades for the Allis cutter. He said he got them at TSC. I'm not much of a TSC fan.
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Posted By: Ky.Allis
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2012 at 10:39am
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I would assume your mower uses the same blade as my vermeer branded unit. Very easy to change--just use the tool provided with the mower and pry up the spring loaded pin and pull out old blade--put new blade in and release the pin. I get my blades from dealer who orders them from A&I or Tisco. Mine are part# DM303 and DM304--clockwise and counter clockwise rotation. You really need an owners manual if nothing else for lubrication instructions because it has A total of 5 gearboxes including the cutterbar.
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Posted By: NickT(Ky)
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2012 at 7:53pm
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Ky. Allis, I don't believe the blades attach that way. He said you take the turtles off and remove blade from the bottom? I didn't see a tool for that. When I get it home I'll figure it out. I'm guessing this cutter is a late '80s model??? I can't remember the model #- TM70 something maybe. I should have wrote it down. Geuss I'm a rookie! I'll call my local AGCO dealer and get the low-down on it and what Vermeer model may be the same. Thanks, Nick
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Posted By: NickT(Ky)
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2012 at 7:54pm
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By the way, what part of Ky. are you from?
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Posted By: NickT(Ky)
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2012 at 8:05pm
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I do remember seeing a tool on the hitch that is fork shaped 3 to 4" wide with pins on the inside of the fork. Could that be for changing the blades? I angle the Gehl cutter down more for later cutting alfalfa. Sometimes I raise the lid a 1.5" or so by putting a piece of pvc across the front under the lid at the front to off-set the blowing. My brother does this and he claims it helps.
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Posted By: Ky.Allis
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2012 at 12:04pm
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Nick--Your blades may not attach the way mine do. I do recall A blade tool as you describe,but I thought it was used on drum mowers and not disc mowers,but I'm probably wrong. Either way they are easy to change. I live about 15 miles south of Lexington in A hole in the wall town called Nicholasville. Only have 130 acre farm,so not alot of serious farming going on,just cows/calves and hay. Not alot of ALLIS equipment----D17 series3,200 cab tractor,444 square baler,701 wagon gear,52 snap coupler plow,72 3Pt. plow and 1 shank snap coupler subsoiler. Good luck with your mower!!!
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Posted By: NickT(Ky)
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2012 at 7:35pm
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I've been thru there. I work for Ky. Utilities and I know a few guys that work in your neck of the woods. One of them's last name is Montgomery. Sound familiar? Some famous guys with that name from your area. We've got a few cows and we feed out jersey and holstien steers. We have row crops and alfalfa I market to Ga. and I haul to race horse farms around Louisville area. I've got a few hay burner horses too. I used to rope a little. Have a D-17IV, D-14, allis wing disc, wing field cultivator, and two row cultivator. Some red tractors but no green ones. My brothers have enough of those and some allis too.
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