Close call with 180
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Topic: Close call with 180
Posted By: Mike NEIN
Subject: Close call with 180
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2011 at 5:48pm
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I bought a 180 diesel a couple months ago and I started it up the other day and it jumped forward about five feet before I got it shut down. What would have caused this? The tractor was in neutral. Thanks
Mike
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Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2011 at 7:19pm
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Isn't there a safety interlock that requires that you have the clutch pushed in before the engine will crank? It didn't stop when you pushed the clutch in? Sounds like you have a very dangerous machine there. In the interest of safetly I highly recommend that you sell that tractor to me for $999. |
Posted By: m16ty
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2011 at 8:03pm
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Are you 100% sure it was in neutral? Were you depressing the clutch when you started it? Was the power director in neutral. It can not "jump forward" if the trans is in neutral. If you started it like you should (clutch depressed and trans in neutral) the only way this could happen is if your trans and clutch broke at the exact same time. Highly unlikely. Now if it's cold out and you put the power director in neutral the tractor will still creep forward when the oil is cold. You should be able to lightly apply the brakes and it stop though. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2011 at 8:37pm
| Sounds like a broken shift fork and bumped into gear. Try starting with clutch down then SLOWLY let it out and see if it still wants to pull. |
Posted By: JoeO(CMO)
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2011 at 8:43pm
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might have a clutch facing starting to seperate are you sure it was in neutral? ------------- |
Posted By: MACK
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2011 at 9:36pm
| Tractor trans. was in gear. If not how did you stop it? MACK |
Posted By: Mike NEIN
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2011 at 11:30pm
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The safety swich on the clutch isn't hooked up. The first time it happened I was standing in front of the right tire and got it shut down before it got me.Checked,trans. was in neutral power director in low. Now sit on the seat trans in neutral start with the clutch in and ease it out and still wants to jump until it warms up. The guy I bought it from said it's got a new clutch. No more standing beside a tractor and starting for me. |
Posted By: morton(pa)
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2011 at 12:38pm
Why not? This is how people get killed, plain and simple. I KNOW of an instance of someone getting killed because they were run over a tractor when starting and having a problem with the transmission while they were working on it. The safety devices were put on there for a REASON...USE THEM!!! It SHOULD be common sense but I guess common sense fails to exist sometimes.
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Mike NEIN wrote:Posted By: Mike NEIN
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2011 at 8:02pm
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Morton I don't know why the switch was unhooked, I bought it for a project this winter and haven't got it hooked up yet. Istarted it up today with the power director in neutral and you can still feel it trying to pull.
Mike
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Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2011 at 8:14pm
| The power director is no substitute for neutral. Are you willing to trust your life to a transmission that "feels" like it is in neutral? There was a day when I though I was invincible. Not anymore. The first thing I do at work when I'm given a piece of machinery for repair is to ensure that all the safety interlocks are working properly. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2011 at 8:26pm
| There is something wrong in the gear box if in neutral and still trying to pull with or without the PD engaged. I use the PD to stop the tractor when bush hogging to keep the PTO engaged in the heavy stuff but when parked and idling the trans in N it does not pull at all. |
Posted By: Mike NEIN
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2011 at 8:27pm
| I know there is no substitute for safety,that's why I'm asking what to look for so I can fix it so nobody gets hurt or worse..... Mike |
Posted By: m16ty
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2011 at 8:40pm
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Safety switches are ok but if you use your brain there's really no need for them. For instance, I don't need a safety switch to tell me to push in the clutch when starting the tractor. I and everybody else on here should already know to push the clutch in when starting. Just because there's no safety switch is not an excuse for running yourself over. Heck, my WD45 or my D19 never had a safety switch on the clutch and I'm still alive. The inoperable safety switch isn't the problem here. |
Posted By: Pete from IL
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2011 at 8:57pm
| I had a 210 that acted like it was in gear even though it was in neutral. If I remember right it was 2nd gear seized to the main shaft. |
Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2011 at 9:02pm
| Like it or not, m16ty, equipment manufacturers have lost considerable sums of money in the past because safety devices were not built-in. Sometimes you have to force safety onto people. Sometimes our own brains fail us. Sometimes we get in a hurry and take shortcuts. You can point a finger and say, "he should have", but I can probably state that just about everyone in here has taken an unsafe shortcut at one time or another. I know I have. |
Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2011 at 9:20pm
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Wow!!!! I cant believe some of your responses. He didnt ask if the saftey switch had anything to do with it. Everyone here has started a tractor from the ground. He is asking why the tractor wants to pull when in Neutral. I be non of you take a chance and speed on the hiway,probably all run the speed limit and use common sense,and never take chances by driving too fast.
Now, I think there must be a gear trying to seize on a shaft or something, Has the tractor sit for a while? I didnt think there was anyway that a transmisson could pull when in N but who knows. By the way Mike I have a 180 that I am parting out that just had 4500 spent on the rearend,before it got water in the oil of the motor,so its a parts machine now. Should I haul it to Slades or do you want to meet me this time....LOL
IG
IG ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: m16ty
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2011 at 10:30pm
I know why safety switches are there. That doesn't mean we should all park our old tractors because they don't have them. Try as hard as you can with safety devices but stupid people will still manage to get themselves hurt or killed. I've also seen instances where people came to rely on safety devices, the device failed, and they got injured. Sometimes safety devices give a false sense of security. I just don't understand people jumping on this guy for having a inoperable clutch switch when many of the old tractors owned by people on this forum never had safety switches when new. Granted, he shouldn't have tried to start it standing in front of the rear tire but he knows that now. Sure, I've taken unsafe shortcuts in the past and sometimes paid for them. |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2011 at 5:11am
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So to be clear, was the manual 4 speed in neutral? If it was I think the suggestion that a gear might be seizing to the shaft sounds reasonable to me otherwise I'd say don't rely on the PD being in neutral cause they ain't exactly made for that. They will drag especially when cold. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: B26240
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2011 at 7:25am
| By no means a "expert" on the 180 trans but I like the idea of a bent fork causing the shift collar to be partially engaged or as said gear wanting to turn shaft for some reason. remember this is a constant mesh trany. also what if there is a loose bearing and top shaft is resting heavy on the bottom shaft, would that cause bindup of gear to shaft? |
Posted By: Teddy (punchie)
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2011 at 7:38am
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Mike Thanks God It was just a near miss. Cold thick oil?? Maybe not enough oil?? Teddy ------------- Ac D-19, a Number of WD's, One WD45, Two 444 balers, Ac plows and etc. |
Posted By: Mike NEIN
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2011 at 12:39pm
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Well John, if you took it to Slade's I wouldn't need mapquest anymore LOL! Teddy it's full of oil, but it does it when it's cold. Yesterday I pulled it out of the shop and it sat in the drive for an hour idling and it never moved. So when it warms up it seems alright but I don't want to put it on the auger to unload corn if I can't trust it will be there when the semi gets emptied, if you know what I mean. Thanks for all the ideas so now I have something to look at now when I get it apart.
Mike
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