picked up a plow yesterday
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Topic: picked up a plow yesterday
Posted By: acwdwcman
Subject: picked up a plow yesterday
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2011 at 7:27pm
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i picked up a 3 bottom sc plow yesterday and i was wondering if i could make it a 2 bottom by taking off one bottom and it still work right? ------------- wd with a freeman model 90 trip loader, wd45, 38 unstylled wc, b 10 garden tractor and 2-14 ac trip plow. grandpa has a 56 wd45. wd. allis chalmers snap coupler blade and 3 bottom snap coupler plow |
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Posted By: Wil M (NEIA)
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2011 at 7:44pm
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I will say yes but you have to drop the 2nd bottom off and move the 3rd bottom up to be the 2nd bottom because you need the landslide bottom to be the last bottom. Hope that makes sense.
Wil ------------- "Yet there are soulless men whose hand and brain tear down what time will never give again." Anderson M Scruggs |
Posted By: acwdwcman
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2011 at 8:01pm
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ya that kinda makes sense. sounds like a lot of work and pb blaster and muscles ------------- wd with a freeman model 90 trip loader, wd45, 38 unstylled wc, b 10 garden tractor and 2-14 ac trip plow. grandpa has a 56 wd45. wd. allis chalmers snap coupler blade and 3 bottom snap coupler plow |
Posted By: Wil M (NEIA)
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2011 at 8:42pm
------------- "Yet there are soulless men whose hand and brain tear down what time will never give again." Anderson M Scruggs |
acwdwcman wrote:Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2011 at 9:31pm
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It will take some cutting. Yes you want the third bottom in the second bottom position when it has the long landside. And you want the extension behind it moved up if it has a trailing furrow wheel. The frame isn't so simple. To move those you need to move the shank or bottom. There are more bolts at the top of the shank than at the bottom, but those at the bottom are odd, unique to AC plows, a 9/16" plow bolt many times, or a 9/16" hex bolt where its not exposed at the landside. The hitch connects to the beams for the front two bottoms. The left of those beams on a 2 bottom ends at the shank. The rear beam for a 3 bottom is bent and an angle to connect to that #2 beam to transfer its load to the hitch. The middle beam on the 3 bottom is also extended to the left of the center beam making the spacer for the third bottom. You will probably want to cut that off to keep from hookking it on things. That's based on a 63 vs 62 frame. 70s and 80s will have a couple bolts in the middle of that cross bar. So there could be less left sticking out, but still the hitch won't be on the rear bottom beam. Gerald J. |
Posted By: wjohn
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2011 at 9:55pm
http://www.grandpastractor.com/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=33 - http://www.grandpastractor.com/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=33 I know that the 53 plow manual tells you how to properly convert it to a 2 bottom. I don't know which plow model you have. The fellow we bought our WD off of gave us a model 53 plow with the tractor. He said the tractor couldn't really handle 3 bottoms, so he just took off the 3rd one. Left the coulter on and everything. He failed to move that bottom (with the landslide) to the 2nd position so no wonder he was still disappointed when he tried plowing with it again. ------------- 1939 B, 1940 B, 1941 WC, 1951 WD, 1952 CA, 1956 WD-45 |
Posted By: Wil M (NEIA)
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2011 at 6:20am
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What exactly does the landslide do? I know they are on all mounted plows from 1 bottom to 4 bottom and not sure about semi mounted. Do they prevent the plow from sucking in to deep or prevent the plow from trying to pull to the side or both?
Wil ------------- "Yet there are soulless men whose hand and brain tear down what time will never give again." Anderson M Scruggs |
Posted By: Butch(OH)
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2011 at 7:30am
Because of the angle of the share and the turning of the soil to the right there is a tremendous force to the left and it all goes against the land side. As they wear out the plow trails over to the left instead of pulling straight behind the tractor. The rear landside/slipheal also play a vey important part in allowing the traction booster to do it's thing while only lifting the plow out of the ground a small amount and few know it or how to make it work. When worn out the T-B simply plow lifts out of the ground and too many people think that's how it is supposed to be. Plow operators manuals abound on Ebay and sell for little money, I suggest one for everyone.
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Posted By: Wil M (NEIA)
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2011 at 1:07pm
Thanks Butch. That is what I was thinking. Never thought about how the landslide would help with the traction booster but that makes sense also. Wil ------------- "Yet there are soulless men whose hand and brain tear down what time will never give again." Anderson M Scruggs |
Posted By: Butch(OH)
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2011 at 2:06pm
| Will, Actualy It's just the slip heal that affcts the T-B. In short it is suposed to make a depression in the botom of the furrow when adjusted correctly. This is because it is actualy holding the rear of the plow up out of the ground from where it would run on it's own. It plowman's words it causes the plow to run "up on the nose" just a slight amount. Then when the T-B system calls for weight instead of lifting the plow that bit of extra suction from being up on the nose gives the weight without lifting the plow. From the seat a person call tell if all is well on a 3 bottom when the T-B will carry the front end of a WD, 45 or D-14-15 tractor (no weights) off the ground and the plow is running only an inch less deep than with T-B off. |