CaseIH Going Away?
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Topic: CaseIH Going Away?
Posted By: Spud
Subject: CaseIH Going Away?
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2011 at 11:23pm
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On Combine Forum, they are discussing a rumor that CNH is going to do like Agco and retire the Case IH name and color and just sell blue.
Has anybody heard of anything like this?
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Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2011 at 11:31pm
| That would be a crazy move - way to many DIEHARD RED fans in the AG world ; but you never know i guess , I personally dont think that will happen |
Posted By: Spud
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2011 at 11:40pm
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I agree, it doesn't sound realistic. You never know for sure though. |
Posted By: 427435
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2011 at 8:35am
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Sounds stupid to me--------but then CNH is owned by Fiat. They (like the Germans) never understood the American market.
------------- Mark B10 Allis, 917 Allis, 7116 Simplicity, 7790 Simplicity Diesel, GTH-L Simplicity Ignorance is curable-----stupidity is not. |
Posted By: TomYaz
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2011 at 8:41am
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If that happens, it will be fun to watch the squealin from the Red people who poo-pooed the Orange folks on the premise that "color doesnt matter"... ------------- If its not an All-Crop, it all crap! |
Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2011 at 9:23am
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Seems New Holland (aka - Fiat) bought Ford, New Holland, Case, Fiat-Allis and Kobelco all the while in also buying IH farm tractors and rolling them into a world wide company in the construction industry as well as farm equipment.
The CNH brands Case, New Holland and Kobelco provide a full, high-specification range of heavy construction and light industrial equipment. Direct clients and contractors will find all the machines for their needs from major construction operations in infrastructures, quarrying, demolition, excavation, to city-center maintenance operations, all backed by unsurpassed financing opportunities and service.
Continuing investment provides constant quality and product improvements will meet the expected growth in construction spending over the next few years, while our reach into emerging markets will extend CNH's global presence, focusing on customers' needs wherever they are based and wherever they operate. http://www.cnh.com/BUSINESSLINE/Pages/CNHBUSINESSLINESConstructionEquipment.aspx - http://www.cnh.com/BUSINESSLINE/Pages/CNHBUSINESSLINESConstructionEquipment.aspx ------------- Life lesson: If you’re being chased by a lion, you’re on a horse, to the left of you is a giraffe and on the right is a unicorn, what do you do? You stop drinking and get off the carousel. |
Posted By: KGood
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2011 at 9:26am
| That would be funny!!! On another note though am I the only one sick of foreigners screwwing up America's historic companys |
Posted By: Kcgrain
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2011 at 9:44am
| Kgood, usually I would agree with your comment, but in the case of Fiat I would say you were wwrong. I was involved with New Holland when they bought it from Ford, and they poured alot of money and research into the brand that Ford had neglected. THey brought to life the Genesis, which was top notch, far better than anything on the market at that time, the gemini, which too was world class, they rebuilt the skid steers, back hoes, combines, Versatiles etc etc and made them all some of the very best machinery. They also poured alot of Cash into the CaseIH brand and saved it from the brink of being gone forever. CaseIH was on its last leg finacially, there were no buyers, and no more money when Fiat through New Holland na came in and bought them, which saved there a**. Now they swooped in to save Chrysler from the same fate, since control was given to Fiat, and there 53.8% ownership chrysler is back on track to profit, and usually once Fiat takes it, they keep it forever. Fiat is a HUGE co, you can buy shares in CNHna, you can buy shares in other co Fiat owns but you cant buy Fiat, its private. If America , and its companies would pull its head out of its A** , american companies rather than swiming in debt trying to please stock holders would be back on track to building stable untouchable companies like fiat has. |
Posted By: KGood
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2011 at 10:49am
| Kcgrain I guess I am just stuck on what fiat did to Allis construction wich was just the opposite of what your saying they do now. And I had a buddy that had a X19 but thats the old days. |
Posted By: Kcgrain
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2011 at 10:54am
| You are correct about the Fiat Allis deal, that wasnt a real positive, but back than they tried to push the foreign design into the american maket, same thing they did with the Hesston tractor (a rebadged Fiat). But it seems like Fiat learned its lesson on that subject, where most of the foreign companies that do come here still use that heavy handed approach of forcing there will, but I wonder just how much bullying the american companies do when they buy into the foreign market. |
Posted By: Clay
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2011 at 8:26pm
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Fix It Again Tonight |
Posted By: Spud
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2011 at 12:08am
| I hear you KC Grain. A public company cannot think long term. Their horizon often extends only to the next month end or the next quarter end. |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2011 at 12:48am
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Spud, that is true in all too many companies, but look at Ford and Apple. Both public companies that have gone their own way and been extremely successful. I have mixed feelings about Fiat. They are a foreign company, but they have been supportive of US companies, at least lately. ------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2011 at 1:08am
| maybe Titan machinery will buy out Case/IH! |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2011 at 10:14am
------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Clay wrote:Posted By: Dans 7080
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2011 at 10:28am
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The first minute of this should end the confusion!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpWhWCQQqI0 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpWhWCQQqI0
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Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2011 at 10:39am
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One has to remember AC and Fiat were both players in the Construction industry, Fiat was big outside the US and SA and both competed against CAT, IH, and other countries brands. The joint venture of AC/Fiat allowed AC capatil and Fiat a machine already in production they could integrate into their line easily.
Where the problem came in is dealer support and network under the Fiat/Allis North America Co. they closed parts houses, closed dealers, pulled support, centralised distrubution out of Chicago. Parts you use to get off the shelf now took a week to get or longer. From 1972 when I bought my machine the local supplier changed dealers 3 times within 5 years. When AC went under in AG line it all but killed the AC construction also.
Fiat coming back into the market in the US in the Construction has meant the New Holland, Ford, as well as now Case are again growing in that market.
Look at the excavator market, it was once held by a French company as leading in the market, now it's hard to find anything not built in Korea or outside the US. ------------- Life lesson: If you’re being chased by a lion, you’re on a horse, to the left of you is a giraffe and on the right is a unicorn, what do you do? You stop drinking and get off the carousel. |
Posted By: ky wonder
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2011 at 11:42am
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guys i cant knock fiat, i have a 1970 model fiat oliver 2wd 1355, with well over 10000 hrs on it and it has served extremely well the only expense in 41 years has been a clutch replacement and thrust washers in the front end, and i is still running well ------------- i like old tractors of all colors |
Posted By: Craig/insoh
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2011 at 3:58pm
| Our farm has 2 ac 6080's fiat frame ac engine !!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Posted By: Craig/insoh
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2011 at 4:00pm
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