If our grandparents could see us now
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Topic: If our grandparents could see us now
Posted By: Ryan Renko
Subject: If our grandparents could see us now
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2011 at 7:38pm
| I was reading on another forum about the new Gleaner Super 7. One guy commented his combine was shelling around 4,200 bushel a hour. That means 70 bushel a minute or around alittle over a bushel a second!!!!! This post isnt just about the new Gleaner as other companies offer machines with similar performance. What would our grandparents or great grandparents think about these new monsters in the fields?? I still remember my great grandma with her long dress and babushka on shelling corn by hand!!! She and grandpa were straight from "old country". My times have changed. Ryan |
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Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2011 at 7:41pm
| An acre every three minutes? I suppose it's possible. I wouldn't have thought it possible 40 years ago. |
Posted By: Orange Blood
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2011 at 9:26pm
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I don't think thats out of line. I'm not going to do the math, but on any of our half mile section farms, I think it was 1-1/2 rows at 36" wide, a half mile long was an acre. Our N7 with an 8 row head, was doing 4-6 MPH, meaning 10-15 minutes per half round, and each pass took between 5 and 6 acres, i.e. an acre every two minutes, and that's the older 7, I haven't been around since the R72 has been in use. I am sure the Super 7, is far superior to the N and the R. ------------- Still in use: HD7 WC C CA WD 2-WD45 WD45LP WD45D D14 3-D17 D17LP 2-D19D D19LP 190XTD 190XTLP 720 D21 220 7020 7030 7040 7045 3-7060 Projects: 3-U UC 2-G 2-B 2-C CA 7-WC RC WDLP WF D14 D21 210 7045 N7 |
Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2011 at 9:34pm
| whew! |
Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2011 at 9:43pm
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Half mile throughs on 30" centers takes 7 and 1/2 rows to make an acre. Depending on how many end rows you put on. If put as many as we do now it would take more then that to get an acre to a through. Not to take anything away from the N7 ,it was a beast at the time. First 12 row head machine. But I dont think those figures add up
IG ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: DanD
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2011 at 7:05am
| I can still remember a piece of a conversation my grandfather had with our neighbor out along the road one day while my dad was combining oats. It was probably 1982. Anyway. my grandfather told the neighbor that "Art would have a smile from ear to ear if he could see that combine work". Art was my grandmother's brother who had died in 1959 and had owned the farm before and with whom my grandfather farmed for quite a few years. Uncle Art had owned a 12A John Deere combine. The funny thing is that the combine that my grandfather thought would make him smile from ear to ear because of its incredible capacity and performance was a Gleaner E. I guess everything is relative. |
Posted By: Ryan Renko
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2011 at 8:36am
| I remember my dad thinking they all were in heaven when they got a new idea one row corn picker on the farm. Before that it was picked by hand. It is all relative as DanD said!! |
Posted By: amac
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2011 at 8:57am
| IG, you are right on half mile rows per acre. We estimate 5.5 rows on 38 inch spacings half mile long to be an acre. |
Posted By: Henry se/k!
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2011 at 9:26am
| 200 bu corn 12 row head 10.5 miles per hour no time to turn on end good corn head and super driver ??? G with 430 head 25000 bu in 5 days twice the first year I had it! Sure beat an E with 240 head. |
Posted By: ky wonder
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2011 at 9:45am
i too was glad to see the first picker that the family bought it was a mounted 1 row ford, picking into flat bed wagons with 24 inch side bords and gates, it was my job and my brothers to keep the wagons unloaded with a scoop into the cribs windows . we could keep up with the ford and keep a empty wagon hooked behind the farmall c, back at the picker by the time it was done with the next wagon load
then we moved up to a mounted 2 row picker on a 620 john deere, and we could not keep up, unless we where picking rigth beside the crib.
the next great purchase was a elevator no longer had to throw the corn, over our heads this saved time, we would pull the wagon in place and unhook then hook the c to the elevator, and just scoop the corn into the elevator. then one summer day a truck pulled up with the first gravity feed wagons i had ever seen,
hooray no more scoop!!! jush turn the wheel and watch the corn fall out
i can only look with amasement at the equipment used today, and know that my grandad would faint if i told him i had spent that much money ------------- i like old tractors of all colors |
Ryan Renko wrote:Posted By: Orange Blood
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2011 at 1:53pm
Thanks for the correctiion ------------- Still in use: HD7 WC C CA WD 2-WD45 WD45LP WD45D D14 3-D17 D17LP 2-D19D D19LP 190XTD 190XTLP 720 D21 220 7020 7030 7040 7045 3-7060 Projects: 3-U UC 2-G 2-B 2-C CA 7-WC RC WDLP WF D14 D21 210 7045 N7 |
Posted By: Ryan Renko
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2011 at 6:49pm
| I know there are all different, but on average how many bushel does a tractor trailer hold?? I'm still thinking at 4,200 bushel a hour harvested how that would relate. Ryan |
Posted By: Orange Blood
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2011 at 9:33pm
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I want to say our 72 model think it was a 42' tandem axle, would hold right at 500 bushel per comparment, one front, one rear. The newer ones hold more, and if they have an extra axle, can be plated, or permited for more. ------------- Still in use: HD7 WC C CA WD 2-WD45 WD45LP WD45D D14 3-D17 D17LP 2-D19D D19LP 190XTD 190XTLP 720 D21 220 7020 7030 7040 7045 3-7060 Projects: 3-U UC 2-G 2-B 2-C CA 7-WC RC WDLP WF D14 D21 210 7045 N7 |
Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2011 at 9:45pm
| The company that we contract most of our grain through hauls 1800 bu. in each load. |
Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2011 at 9:54pm
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If you have 1000 bu on a hopper bottom around here you are about legal. You need alot of trucks...lol Orangeblood I was just trying to not be a smart IG ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
. Posted By: Eldon (WA)
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2011 at 9:55pm
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Two years ago when I was helping my brother in SD with his harvest, I was running the cart with scale to load out the trucks.....64,000 lbs per semi load when the scales were open, 70,000 plus when they weren't :) ------------- ALLIS EXPRESS! This year: |
Posted By: Orange Blood
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2011 at 6:41am
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Hey IL, I giving you a hard time, but clearly I wanted that 7 to be more of a monster than it was! :-) Anyway Here's a good story for y'all.
One year my uncle decided to raise popcorn, and late one night we worked really late trying to get out the last 40 acres of it, well it seems that nobody informed grandpa, that popcorn is a bit more dense in the truck. Well he loaded that trailer level full to the rails, (that's what we did at night, since the next morning we would be up before them law boys) Anyway, I don't rememver what dad said it scaled at, but it was well over 100K, I remember him telling me, he knew something was wrong, when the 425hp 3406 cat with a 10speed and deep reduction had a hard time with it in low 2. The ground was a little soft, but it wasn't disked, I guess he left 4" ruts out to the road. After that we didn't harvest anymore popcorn! :-) ------------- Still in use: HD7 WC C CA WD 2-WD45 WD45LP WD45D D14 3-D17 D17LP 2-D19D D19LP 190XTD 190XTLP 720 D21 220 7020 7030 7040 7045 3-7060 Projects: 3-U UC 2-G 2-B 2-C CA 7-WC RC WDLP WF D14 D21 210 7045 N7 |
Posted By: skipwelte
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2011 at 11:23pm
| The last field we combined this year was 160 A. My brother runs the combine with the twelve row head, he plants witha 24 row planter, two rounds of end rows, by the time he combines the end rows off your are about a third done, then my nephew pulls in with his combine with a 8 row head, we had 6 semis hauling away and 4 grain carts pulling from the combines, took about 8 hours to combine that 160 A. We were done for the year!!!! |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2011 at 5:46am
I'd like to see that rig. How many axles under it? An old friend of my Dad told me once, he thought he had it made when he bought a new 40 All Crop and could combine oats by himself instead of having to cut and bind them and come back with a crew and threshing machine. I think he said he did good to put up a couple acres a day by himself. ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2011 at 7:22am
I don't know where you live but between the 100,800 pounds of grain and the weight of the truck, I'd have to give about three months pay to the courts if the weighmaster caught me. |
Posted By: Ryan Renko
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2011 at 6:54pm
| Kinda interesting story. We had a old bachelor farmer that owned ground next to our farm here in southern Illinois. I know for a fact that the field across from his home was every bit of 100 acres and he would combine the whole thing with a 72 AllCrop!! He parked his small grain truck at the end of the field and when he filled it up, he would shut the tractor off and drive to the local grain elevator. Then return and start all over again. No hired help or anything. He passed away about 15 years ago and the local big time operator bought the ground. Every fall they have two of big green combines in that same field with several semis hauling grain. I wonder how that old guy did that field all by himself!!!! Ryan |
Posted By: Dipstick In
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2011 at 7:51pm
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Ryan he did it one trip through the field at a time,and didn't worry about making a speed record. That's just the way we used to do it. They say patience is a virtue, and we must have been virtuous. Another thing most of our corn cribs held about 5000 bushels,and we 'd shell out one side in the morning,maybe reset the drags to the second side at noon or just after,and finish about 4-5:00 o'clock in time to get home and do chores! The next day we would be at somebody else's house. The wives had an ongoing contest of trying to make the best dinners in the circuit. It was unheard of not to feed your help back then!!!!1 ------------- You don't really have to be smart if you know who is! |
Posted By: Lance/SC
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2011 at 7:04am
| I know what mine would say. (What the heII did you do with my horses.) LOL |
Posted By: wjohn
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2011 at 8:37am
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My grandfather told me about wheat harvest during the depression. One farmer in the area owned a thresher and would custom thresh for the other farmers. He paid my grandfather to bring the bundles to the thresher with two horses and a wagon. I can't remember the exact amount, but he was paid something like a dollar a day for the horses and wagon and a dollar for his labor. ------------- 1939 B, 1940 B, 1941 WC, 1951 WD, 1952 CA, 1956 WD-45 |
Posted By: Eric[IL]
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2011 at 5:26pm
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I noticed a recent AGCO Super7 gleaner advertisement in the FarmWorld newspaper about the competition eating more than their mouths could chew. Seems the green & red combines have a wider throat then inlet to their rotor. Gleaner's is about matched for size around 39". I don't know if any of that holds water?? A 12 row cornhead is going to need a higher capacity on the feeder house to get corn to the rotor. The older 60's gleaner E had a 27" cylinder that could shell corn as fast as it could take it. That has always amazed me! My newer 78' K2 gleaner has the same 27" cylinder. It can shell 3 30" rows at 3 mph in 250 bushel corn all day. But, its hard pressed to get it from the sieve to the graintank that fast.... so I gotta slow it down to keep corn from running out the back. Its good to know that the Gleaner combine is still impressive in farming today....
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Posted By: Ryan Renko
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2011 at 6:18pm
| I need to look into or see specs on these new clean grain elevators that can bring up over a bushel a second!!! I couldnt add that many lil buckets to the allcrop chain!! LOL |
Posted By: j.w.freck
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2011 at 9:33pm
| wjohn,you bring tears to my eyes,spent many hours behind a mcormic binder shocking wheat and oats.then came the big case thresher powered by a john deere d....still remember them well... |
Posted By: DanWi
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2011 at 10:17pm
| 100,800lbs? was wondering what they could haul in some of the trailers I was seeing in the truck paper 50ft triaxle, doubles or superBs. Probably about 40,000 worth of truck and trailer just guessing. Really doesn't seem like that much with the right amount of axles. What weight can they haul in michigan with axles front to rear? |
Posted By: Brad(WI)
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2011 at 2:09pm
| I had a local guy haul 1 load for me this year, my normal haulers were busy that morning. We had combine and 2 grain carts full. it usually takes the R62 (around 250-300 bushels?) and the big grain cart (750 bushels) and a small amount from the small cart (400-450 bu). My cousin filled the guys truck with what we put in the other trucks. The driver said to fill it up! Cousin kept dumping til it was full. Emptied almost everything. Trucking bill came in, load was 1350+ wet bushels. |
Posted By: Oldoug
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2011 at 3:23pm
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They would probably think that there is no need to have any machines that big they would want to bring back the A II Gleaners and I'm sure they would wonder what happened to all the neighbors out in the country nothing but bare fields, center pivots, and semi's running you off the roads during harvest. ------------- Matt Folkers FOLKERS RESTORATION Restoring vintage things to last so the future can enjoy our past. |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2011 at 8:06pm
My Grandpa Tucker never heard of a combine. He farmed with horses and had a threshing machine come to take care of oats. The corn got picked by hand and shoveled into the crib. A lot of hard work and you could put up 3 25 bushel loads a day in one of those straight side narrow cottonwood boxes. Morning chores, pick a load, shovel it off, pick another load, eat dinner, shovel the second load, pick the third, shovel it off, do chores, eat supper and do it all again tomorrow. ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: Dannyhtn
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2011 at 8:51pm
| I look back and wonder how my relatives & neighbors farmed the small acreage they did with what they had, generally with only one helper. I first went into the fields in the late 50's picking corn by hand into a 2 mule wagon. Scooped corn through small crib window one small load at a time but have no idea of yield. By 70's my dad was having his corn picked by a neighbor with two row picker into a larger wagon. Yield was 200 bushels of whole ears per acre, still scooped into the crib. Earlier in fall I watched a large nearby farmer filling a large semi trailer every couple of rounds, 4 - 5 trucks rotating delivery, and the yield was over 200 bushels per acre of shelled corn. That is amazing, but I loved them mules, Jim and Belle, and thought as a kid they looked like a great machine with all their harness on. |
Posted By: Ryan Renko
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2011 at 9:15pm
| When we were still picking ear corn about 30+ years ago (I feel really old now) my father used a elevator to fill the round corn crib. As it got almost full, he would put us into the crib to spread the ear corn towards the sides so more could be put in. We always freaked thinking we would be trapped in that crib by corn as the elevator continued to bring up more!!! Ryan |
Posted By: AllisFreak MN
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2011 at 9:23am
------------- '49 A-C WD, '51 A-C WD, '63 A-C D17 Series III, 1968 A-C One-Seventy, '82 A-C 6060, '75 A-C 7040, A-C #3 sickle mower, 2 A-C 701 wagons, '78 Gleaner M2 |
Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2011 at 10:35am
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If they saw what I was spending on my Ferguson to restore it they would send me to the wood shed and just shake their heads in disappointment. ------------- 1957 WD45 dad's first AC 1968 one-seventy 1956 F40 Ferguson |
Posted By: Dipstick In
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2011 at 10:54am
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Last year my son, my other brother Darrell, and I hand picked 16 rows,330 feet long. It took and ungodly amount of time to get these end rows off,but we wanted to grind ear corn for cattle and sheep feed. After spending the amount of time and energy, we decided a mechanical harvestor was worth the expense. Darrell found an Oliver 2 row for 100 dollars and it did not take long to decide to buy it. We pick about an acre a year for feed, but it's nice to have it. With my WD at full throttle, we have to slip the hand clutch to allow the elevator to catch up in 200 bushel corn. He and I both grew up hauling the ears to the crib,and elevating them up. Brings back a lot of memories. For instance sitting on the old tractors picking corn with high winds blowing the stalks flat to the ground, and getting so much dirt in our eyes that they would be sore for days. Picking for a ways, then feeding the broken off stalks on the snouts through the rolls trying to keep hands out.(big reason lots of our dads and older friends couldn't count to 10 with both hands!) The past sounds ideallic, but for those of you who grew up later, it was damned hard, and dangerous work!!! I still remember the signs on my 8600 White's corn head; "This machine is faster than you are!" ------------- You don't really have to be smart if you know who is! |