Installing Detent Spring and Balls
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Topic: Installing Detent Spring and Balls
Posted By: BobDinNC
Subject: Installing Detent Spring and Balls
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2011 at 6:40pm
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OK, so I have demonstrated the effectiveness of echo-location for finding the spring and one of the balls in the hydraulic control valve plunger. I had rigged up a shroud over the space where I was removing the detent plug, but there was a gap and the ball and spring shot across the shop. Luckily, I head the ball strike the wall about 14’ away and it landed on a floor mat in plain sight. Backtracking from that site moving toward the workbench led to the spring. It was probably a one-in-a-million coincidence to find both pieces. Now I need to put it back together. How do I hold the spring and both detent balls in place while sliding the detent plug back over the plunger? I don’t want to push my luck at finding those pieces again. Can anyone tell me how you do it? |
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Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2011 at 7:54pm
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I used a dab of grease when I did my CA pump...
Now, if that works for you, how about coming up and finding my 7/16" deep 3/8 drive socket that is 'somewhere' in my 24 by 24 shop? I've cleaned it up 4 times and I'm the ONLY one here, can't even blame the cat(she's in the house !) ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: DREAM
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2011 at 8:29pm
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Jay, it probably fell down in something. I was cleaning up a while back, and found a 5/8" deepwell socket inside a cofee can full of B-112 bolts. Aforementioned socket must have landed there after it bounced off the wall. This was preempted by the ratchet slipping off of the steering stabilizer bolt on my wife's Jeep and taking about 1/2 pound of knuckle meat as payment for my carelessness. You can imagine how the socket got separated from the ratchet. I reference Charlie Tuckers definition of "dammit tool". LOL! ------------- I didn't do it! It was a short, fat, tall, skinny guy that looked like me! |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2011 at 5:38am
Where did you use it last?? On a vehicle? A Tractor? I've had em drop down into afore mentioned and didn't miss em right away, so.... Set it somewhere and then kicked it and it went...down into the sump hole in the floor. Hope you find it. ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
jaybmiller wrote:Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2011 at 5:42am
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Bob, I would like some ideas too as I am going to be tearing into the one on my C (not pumping at all) and the one on the WD-45 (loader goes up great till 4 feet off the ground and then REAL slow with nothing in it. Won't move if at all if anything in it). So I have to rebuild them both. I should post this on a new one... Hmmm
------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2011 at 6:36am
| Well...I'm sure I'm not the only guy on here that might have a fit once in a while;) I usually find mine further down the road,once I remember where I threw it! LMAO! Rick |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2011 at 6:52am
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echo-location, been there done that. LOL
------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: B26240
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2011 at 8:28am
| I know the how it is , I was working on a shift tower- removing the shift rail and heard the detent ball go wizzing past my ear, it is I feel only by the grace of God I still have my left eye. Never found it , took another one apart using a heavy rag to catch the ball and spring. I then made a round ended dowel out of 5/16 rod to hold ball in while sliding rail in--- worked for me! |
Posted By: Gatz in NE
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2011 at 8:50am
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Roger Welsch had a very descriptive account of this happening to him on a WC
I think it was Busted Tractors and Rusty Knuckles. Laughed till tears rolled down my cheeks
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Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2011 at 11:19am
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That socket's been MIA for way too long, checked again this morning...sigh.. Shoot it's shiny and reasonably big and HAS to be IN the garage.....
...I now know that one should NOT use a hammer to whack an allen key to get stubborn bolts outta something in my vise..(hammer was handy, bar was 2 feet away).. picture window was 12' away and that's where the allen key went, a helluva lot faster than me say' ohsh..' By the way I have a $400 allenkey for sale.
Some dayze I wonder WHY I get outta bed.
------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Gil (cent MO)
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2011 at 3:33pm
| About a year ago while mounting a scope on my rifle I lost one of the four screws used to fasten the scope to its mount. This happened in my basement workshop and I did a thorough search many times for that screw. I knew that I could not find one locally because it is a very special screw with a countersink head and then Allen wrench drive. I searched around, inside, and under every thing in the workspace many times looking for that lost screw. Much cursing and anguish later I contacted customer support at Leupold for a replacement screw. Three days later I received two replacement screws at no charge. Two days ago I walked into the workshop and laying there in the middle of the concrete floor was that lost screw. I will never know where that screw lay hidden for almost one year and then suddenly appeared. |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2011 at 3:51pm
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And ain't that the TRUTH!!
------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2011 at 9:32pm
Probably was in your shirt pocket and you happen to bend over in that spot when it decided to come loose. ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |