I hate green stem soybeans
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Topic: I hate green stem soybeans
Posted By: Lonn
Subject: I hate green stem soybeans
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2011 at 6:45am
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My L2 apparently hates them too. First half of day was on NK soybeans and they were good. About 50bu/acre running at 5 mph with 315 head. My Asgrow are all green stemmed. Same field. plugged up good late in the afternoon in the first 50 feet. Called it a day. Had to weld a fitting that had broken loose on the hydraulic reservoir anyway and decided to charge to AC. Have to be at work today so will try tonight. Going to lower the cylinder from 3/8" to 1/4" to try and break the stems up so they don't wrap on thresher beater. Beans themselves are very dry but there even are still some green leaves hanging on. First for me with green stem beans. Very green! ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
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Posted By: D-allis Iowa
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2011 at 6:49am
| Our bean stems are very tough also with still a few leaves. the bean itself is dry to dry 8% but what can you do. We just go slow. |
Posted By: B26240
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2011 at 6:55am
| reading this forum I learn somthing new every day |
Posted By: AMB(wcIL)
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2011 at 7:12am
| I try not to plant the redish brown color beans they seem to have the green stem problem greater than the grayish color beams. I know wait your saying about your L2 not liking them our M3 with a 315 head was the same way. We would complain to our seed salesman about the green stems, finaly after a few years he admited it was a problem for others too. Andy |
Posted By: Adam Stratton
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2011 at 7:18am
| Do you have the bigger sprocket driving the beater or the small one? My L2 came with the small one (I do realize that they were originally made to be switched with different grains, but that was all I had at the time). I had to creep along no matter what crop I was harvesting or everything would ball up on me. I had a bearing go out and chewed up the sprocket pretty badly. I had a bigger sprocket on the parts combine, so I switched them. It made a world of difference. I can run faster in any crop than I could before. Also, double check your straw chopper blades. When they started getting worn on mine it would constipate everything all the way forward. |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2011 at 7:19am
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Looks like everyone is going slow when on green stem beans red green or silver. Was over to my neighbors yesterday too for an hour helping set his M2. He plugged it 3 times. He goes just at a crawl after that. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: Adam Stratton
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2011 at 7:20am
| PS. At this stage, I would have to cut 2-3 acres to match your yield. The beans we have cut so far were earlier maturities (3.6 and 4.4) and were mostly dry stemmed, some were even dead from the drought, so they rolled right through. Weak stems and hardly any beans. When the beans are poor and you dont have to stop to dump, you can make good time. We learned that with our 12 bu. corn this year too! |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2011 at 7:23am
Chopper is good but I was reading in the book that I may need a 25 tooth sprocket for the beater. Must be the one you are talking about. I haven't looked to see what I have. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Adam Stratton wrote:Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2011 at 7:27am
Sounds like the drought wasn't very kind down that way. We didn't get drought conditions until August. It was looking like a bin busting year until then. Still pretty good though. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: Steve M C/IL
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2011 at 8:40am
| Can't tell you the sizes,but the small drive sprocket is for wheat and the like where you run fast cyl speeds and need to slow the beater down to prevent cracking.I don't think yer beater will wrap no matter the crop if it's running fast enough.I was feeling down about 35-40bu beans....better be thankfull eh. |
Posted By: tomNE
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2011 at 12:32pm
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speed up feeder beater and open the cylinder up; don't close it down. you will get dock'd for splits at the elevator. keep cylinder speed down. ran these gleaners for 40yrs. ------------- AC from the start of my families farming career till the end! |
Posted By: Dipstick In
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2011 at 4:42pm
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TomNe, I disagree, I ran my L2 at 5/16ths and didn't crack beans much. The secret is in SLOW cylinder speeds. Fast cracks and slow doesn't. But running a tight cylinder/concave will help pull the stems through quicker and better, not allowing slippage which accounts for the slugging. My Allis guy taught me that. As far as the hammers on the chopper, if there is a slight bit of rounding on the leading edge you have another point for slippage and plugging. If you have not turned the hammers,and the back edges are square and sharp, do so. If they have been reversed and the corner is worn, maybe you should consider new knives. Green stems are a nightmare and you have to think in terms of how fast you can pull them through just like we used to before clean beanfields. Cut-out bars are worth their weight in gold in nasty unripe damp conditions too. Many a morning I was running in the field 2-3 hours before the neighbors with the red-green machines. Also, the cross auger in the head can be dropped closer to the platform which helps feeding. My rule of thumb which Terry Dunlap taught me was pinch that crop and keep it tight until its out the backside. Good luck friend!! ------------- You don't really have to be smart if you know who is! |
Posted By: MACK
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2011 at 10:14pm
| If you are wraping the thrasher beater it is time for a set of cylinder bars or turn them. MACK |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2011 at 6:13am
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Thanks guys. Bars are new wide spaced (Trimble I think) with only 40 acres run through them last year and whatever the previous owner ran through it the year before and it turns out this combine has the 25 tooth sprocket too. I think it's just that these beans are soooo green that it's just a tough crop to harvest. The stems are almost juicy. The seeds themselves are all over the place as far as maturity with some pods being so dry that just touching them with your fingers will pop them and on the same plant you have some real green swollen beans. These are Asgrow beans (forget the number). It did help to lower the cylinder to 1/4" and I didn't wrap the beater again. In the same field I had NK S17 G8 (I think thats the right number) and they didn't have green stems at all and I was able to go 5-5.5 mph with 315 head. After a few rounds I decided to go do the neighbors instead cause you could smell the green in the tank. Combined a semi load for him in the afternoon with zero troubles. His were green stemmed too but not so bad and depending on what field I was in I could go from 2.5 mph to 4 mph and with the cylinder at 3/8" and 600 rpm. Had to keep the air nearly wide open to keep trash out of tank but it did a real good job with very little field loss. Mostly shatter due to the extremely dry pods. Anyhow, I've never seen beans quite like those Agrow beans before. If I can get them harvested and in the tank I think they'll out yield the NK beans judging by the looks of them. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: scott
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2011 at 6:19am
| We got after my beans last night. 13.4/13.6 and tough stems. We had to stop twice in ten ac. to unplug the straw chopper. Pioneer seed. |