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Topic: I got a response from AGCO...

Posted By: TomYaz
Subject: I got a response from AGCO...
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 5:22pm

Tom,

I received your e-mail regarding the AGCO Brand. Decisions like these are not made easily and not without research with supporting facts. AGCO Brand has only been established in North America. Brands such as Massey Ferguson, Fendt, Challenger and Valtra are our global brands. In order to compete with major lines of products we find that we are unable to adequately promote multiple brands especially those, which are not global brands. Today’s economic environment makes it impossible for companies such as AGCO to grow these brands with diluted resources. From a sales volume position, the AGCO Brand was minimal in the big picture. However, we realize that there is an emotional side to this with the heritage going back to the Allis Chalmers product and dealer network. Again, these decisions are never easy but many times the correct decisions are not always those that are. We value our AGCO customers and will do what we can to retain as many of you as possible in the future.

Thank you for your response to AGCO Answers.

Stephen Barcuch

District Director - East Coast District

AGCO Corporation

>>>So what he is saying they only want to keep the brands with global recognition....

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Posted By: michaelwis
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 5:31pm

Wow .. i guess that says a mouthfull . Iwould agree with those who remind us all that Allis Chalmers died in the 80,s.. Sad but true .........But if someone would post this guys phone number / email or mailing address ......well lets just say it could be interesting to say the least .. Never underestimate the power of oneself ..

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Posted By: Ryan Renko
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 5:37pm

Someone better put a fork in orange tractors. I hope replacement parts will still be around. Ryan

Posted By: TedBuiskerN.IL.
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 5:41pm

If that was the case, they should revive the Allis Chalmers brand. At one time that was as global as you could get. There are still Allis Crawlers and older tractors in Europe from WWII.

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Most problems can be solved with the proper application of high explosives.

Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 5:50pm

Tom,

You did better then me. I sent letters to 3 people at AGCO.I stated that I was going to trade my DT220A and my A85 Gleaner,before the end of the year. I got no response from any of them. Thats why I signed papers on a New Deere tractor to take the place of my AGCO. They can kiss my you know what. I am done with AGCO,I hope they go broke . They can push them red and yellow agcos all they want USA is not going to buy them. They sell more orange tractors then the yellow and red put together.that tells me they dont care about North America,so I am going green. I am working on a deal to get rid of the Gleaner combine

I guess I need to change my name..............LOL

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Posted By: TomYaz
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 5:57pm

michaelwis wrote:

Wow .. i guess that says a mouthfull . Iwould agree with those who remind us all that Allis Chalmers died in the 80,s.. Sad but true .........But if someone would post this guys phone number / email or mailing address ......well lets just say it could be interesting to say the least .. Never underestimate the power of oneself ..

This is where I sent my note that got the response:

http://www.agcocorp.com/contact.aspx - http://www.agcocorp.com/contact.aspx

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Posted By: Bob D. (La)
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 5:57pm

IG, While at the G roundup in Gadsden, they had two AGCO reps there. While talking with them, I remembered some statements you had made some months earlier. I did not mention your name, but gave them an earful. I stated there were many large farmers that not only were dedicated to AGCO brand but Gleaner as well. I also let them know that if the AGCO brand was lost, they would never sell another tractor of any other brand/color to you and many like you and would probably follow that with elimination of Gleaner as well. I guessed correct in your sentiments but guess they did not bother to pass the word up channel, or more than likely, it fell on deaf ears. Let em die now.

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Posted By: TomYaz
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 6:00pm

ILGLEANER wrote:

Tom,

I guess they are looking at what combination of brands that would sell the most GLOBALLY, N.A. be damned. If they can sell more globally at the price of losing NA, then

I guess they dont care. Welcome to the Global Economy.

Posted By: Byron WC in SW Wi
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 6:06pm

IG - Good to hear from you. I'm doing the same thing. I'm not sure if I'll go JD but I'm going somewhere. I'm thinking of whether to keep my ST I just bought or not. I have a pretty good case to sue them to give me back my payments and expenses as I bought it after I got an email from them saying that dropping the orange was just a rumor. I'll be trading the RT100a in as well. Probably won't get rid of my F2 my WC, (as it was my grandpas), and my suflower drill but I might. We'll see. I'm most likely going Kubota but I don't know for sure yet.

Posted By: Ricky D
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 6:37pm

In my opinion Yaz is jumping from the frying pan into the fire by going "green" ! Furthermore, if one is going to change colors anyway, why not go Red or Yellow? Would sure be better than green, with technology that has been copied form others.

Pride sometimes clouds ones thinking doesn't it.

Posted By: Spud
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 6:50pm

Sorry, but I still think people that go running to Deere and CNH are setting themselves up for a duopoly in the long run. Agco is really the only company that can give Deere and CNH a run for their money and keep competition going. If Agco goes away and the market is there for CNH and Deere to divide as they seem fit, guess who is going to get screwed. I know there are some other companies here and there that make a decent line of tractors but none that can take on Deere and CNH for a broad range. I think the Massey and Challenger are still a pretty good product. Although some of you are mad, I know you agree because you were buying it recently with orange paint on it.

What would you say to White fans about 5 years ago if they told you they hoped Agco went broke at that time because the tractors weren't silver?

Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 6:54pm

Ricky,

If someone took your wife would you go pat them on the back and still help them??????

If Agco takes my orange tractor,why would I help them and buy a Massey or Challenger? Would be pretty stupid wouldnt it? If I wanted to drive red or yellow or green or blue I would. I want to run orange, they chose to take it away,I choose not to do buisness with them. Its real easy for me.

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Posted By: norm [ind]
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 6:55pm

THEY ALL HAVE THERE PROBLEMS RED AN GREEN RED ONE BOUGHT THIS SEASON BEEN WORKING ON IT MORE THAN IN THE FIELD GREEN ONE OF THE 2 UNITS ARE DOWN ALSO MY 2 CENTS

Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 6:55pm

So why dont they promote Agco brand globally ? THIS DOESNT MAKE SENCE AT ALL !!!!Agco Allis tractors are being marketed in South America[ i believe] ; they are green [i believe] but couldnt they be painted orange and still be promoted there ? What would the big deal be to really let folks now about AGCO BRAND globally and really stand behind the product , They will get more reponse out of ORANGE than the dam yeller paint ;The joke is 4 core brands and Challenger is one - WTF !!!! Thats plain ignorant , I usually support AGCO all I can, no more, not if I can help it , What the real joke is when they intro,d this new line of Agco,s and LONG LIVE THE FAMILY FARM bs ; and now - the fate of ORANGE is pretty much sealed, in the short time of what; the new cab, new electronics , blah, blah ; oh yeah they are history just like that ; that should really tell you something ; let them sink, they deserve to , and will !!! I,ll bet the Heritage parts are really being eyed, not AC but the other, older , brands ; SCREW EM !!!

Posted By: Rogers
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 6:57pm

Looks like if they really wanted a global name they would make an effort to bring back the Allis Chalmers brand. You can't get any more gobal. AC made tractors, heavy equipment, industrial pumps and electric motors. All lines had a reputation of quality too.

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Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 7:02pm

Spud,

I know of alot of people that ran white equipment that are now running other colors. The point you are missing,is when what you like is gone. Then you look at everything else. I have a red a green and blue dealer 5 miles from my house. I drive 60 miles to a dealer because I bleed orange and silver. Now mister know it all why would I drive 60 miles to drive a Massey or 150 miles to drive a Challenger. If you dont know what you are talking about why dont you just keep your mouth shut. You dont know my situation so dont bash me.

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Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 7:12pm

Doug G.

Here is my take on it. If Agco wants to compete against JD and CNH. If they want to get rid of all of there brands, OK . Drop them all ,drop red orange and yellow. Make them all one color with the AGCO on the side. Everything one color from lawnmowers to 500hp 4-wheel drives. Then you are Agco and make them a new color,then you have no ties to anyone in the past. Then see how far you go. About like a lead ballon over the ocean. They have become what they are from there past,not what they have done.

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Posted By: jeffrey
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 7:22pm

I sure hope they do not go broke. I need AGCO to get parts to keep my equipment running. Don`t take this wrong (but I am sure someone will) But with the farm ecomony the way it is I can`t go out and start trading equipment because of the color. I sure don`t want to see the orange go away. http://minneapolismoline.myphotoalbum.com/albums.php - http://minneapolismoline.myphotoalbum.com/albums.php

Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 7:30pm

The decision sounds like it came from people whose only contact with the farming community is they happen to work for a company that builds farm equipment. I tend to refer to these people as educated idiots. They are book smart only. Absolutely no common sense. They're pretty much cutting their ties to their roots.

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Posted By: Jordan(OH)
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 7:31pm

IG, why green? I though I saw a post awhile back saying you were thinking about a CIH 8010? Maybe your new handle can be Ill-annoyed Gleaner.

Posted By: tnac
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 7:36pm

What if Case New Holland dropped the red paint and the IH from thier name? What do you think would happen? You think all these IH people would run and buy a Blue tractor? HARDLY!!! This is just about what Agco has done!

Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 7:45pm

Jordon,

Green because,the salesman lives close and has always tried to sell equipment to us. Like I said if what I like isnt an option,try something else. I have never seen an CNH salesman. The green guy had figures before all of this happened. I also like the NewHolland guys in town,but I think there tractors are the ugliest things out there. I have always priced everyone before buying orange. Just always stuck with the orange. The deere salesman was within a few thousand on the tractor. He said Mother Deere and the owner didnt want us driving Agco in our county. The amount they came down I believe them.

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Posted By: PeteMN
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 7:45pm

I suppose their logic makes sense if you don't count any Allis Chalmers tractors which were sold to loyal customers before Allis was sold to the germans. Seems like a pretty stupid way to treat current and potential customers. A friend bought a ton of MF tractors in the Midwest and hauled them to an auction yard down south where they most likely were exported. I guess that tells me that the MF brand wasn't as valuable to US buyers as it was to foreign buyers. No problem. Sell them all the MF stuff they want and leave the US market alone. Oh thats right, they have to have a "global brand". Having a global brand didn't work out so well for Deutz when they tried to push their brand on US customers. Maybe AGCO's marketing dept should research that instead of relying on some new age marketing gurus. Brand loyalty works both ways. Piss off an ag customer and he's not likely to come back. Sounds like they don't figure the NA market is big enough to warrant their time.

Posted By: Russ-neia
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 8:01pm

IG, have you inquired how much it would cost to order the JD equipment in D.O.T. orange? It is in the option list...

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Posted By: Byron WC in SW Wi
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 8:08pm

I would guess that most that have issue with IG, (and me), not going AGCO any more don't own any AGCO equipment.

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Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 8:09pm

As I posted before a few days ago, I feel it is the leadership of the company, a German, who just doesn't see the reason to keep orange in NA. With so few dealers, compared to JD or even Kubota, there isn't much hope for AGCO in a good part of the country anyway.

Posted By: Jordan(OH)
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 8:13pm

Not arguing with going away from AGCO, I agree. Just wondering why go green?

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Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 8:23pm

I agree 100% I. G. with your statement and would love to see the tractors and equip. just AGCO , meaning -Allis Gleaner Company - that would really make sence !!

Posted By: morton(pa)
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 8:27pm

Go green because green actually has brains and promotes their products and STANDS BEHIND THEM WITH PRIDE rather then cut off all ties. The real Allis Chalmers died in the 80's. I am a firm believer and hoper that after these decisions AGCO goes down the crapper. Never once did I feel any business decisions they made were the right ones, and this is why. Look at what has happened, look how many ONCE LOYAL customers are turning away because of a decision. Oh well. S*** Happens. AGCO has never in my opinion, been good at marketing anything. Look at Deere and all their products that get sold to people that don't know the difference between a PTO and a drawbar.

Posted By: Hurst
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 8:37pm

John Deere within a few thousand of AGCO and CIH? Guess the others have gone up since the last time I looked at prices. That's a surprise. I don't think I could ever bring myself to drive green because of the people wearing JD t-shirts, but that's good for them that they are finally becoming competitive with the other brands as far as prices go, or else the others have caught up with Deere in the greed department.

In all honesty, you have to look at AGCO's decision from a business stand point. Sure it sucks for all of us who love orange, but they are doing what they can to make money. I'd much rather only be able to buy an AGCO in a red tractor than have no AGCO. If you want an Allis Chalmers or orange tractor, buy an old Allis. If you need a new tractor to run your business, buy what is the best option for you economically, which means something you can get serviced near by. We used to run all Allis stuff, but after they closed down (this is all before I was even born....) we switched to Fords. The dealer was close, they had a good track record, and they were priced better than anything around.

Basically, what I'm saying, is AGCO is doing what most people in business do, and that's stay in business, trying to satisfy as many stakeholders as possible. Unfortunately, for AGCO, there are many more stakeholders for the Massey line than the Allis line these days, and the foreign market is a big market any more. The US is still big, but not the percentage it used to be compared to overseas.

I hate to see Orange tractors go, but in all honesty, it's a result of a not so abnormal management decision for a struggling market: consolidation. I hope they help the current AGCO dealers by setting them up for another AGCO brand of the dealer's choice and keep parts availability for older brands up.

Hurst

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Posted By: Byron WC in SW Wi
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 8:45pm

Hurst - Why do they have a Deutz Allis tractor just for Brazil? If Fendt and Valtra are such a global presence where are they? If the orange AGCOs outsell MF and Challenger 4 to 1 why would you drop them? Please help me understand business sense. They are however making European sense which doesn't work here.

Right now AGCO's are priced about the same as JD. They have upped their pricing because according to Martin they don't want to win market share by having a lower price but by having a better tractor. They do have a good tractor but nobody in their right mind would buy an AGCO over a JD for the same money because your loosing it in resale.

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Posted By: jeffrey
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 8:45pm

i think it is in everybodys best interest who visits here that AGCO does not go broke. Sorry for the guys who have newer AGCO equipment who feel they are getting a bad deal. But this is not the first time it has happened. Remember Deutz? What about when Ford bought New Holland or White bought Oliver and MM and Cockshutt. Or when Fiat bought New Holland and Case IH. Weather you run a D17 , DT220 , an oliver or MM, you need AGCO to get parts. I know some will say I don`t know what I am talking about. In 2001 I bought a new Gehl discbine. I had heard the dealer was closing and asked the salesman, he said they where not going to close. Guess what 30 days after I wrote the check the dealer was gone. No other dealer close (90 minute drive) And today Gehl does not even make hay equipment. But I got over it. OK go ahead and blast me and call me names.

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Posted By: ScottinSWIL
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 8:48pm

Well it is still good to hear that they will stick with the R series Gleaner. I know some of the dealers have been crying for more improvements through the years and it sounds like Agco at least has the sense to move forward with those. After all ,the headers and a big part of the A series are gleaner original ideas. As far as tractors I guess I'd rather drive yellow before i would EVER consider a Massey even though they are the same now under the hood. Would be the laughing stock of the neighborhood to the JD and CNH diehards. I like orange but we also have New Holland and JD already. It will be Agco's loss in the end in the North American market. They are just kicking a bunch of good dealers in the sack by forcing them to sell Massey red. Just like IG others will stray. But how many very large farming operations do you see in a magazine with an Agco tractor in the background. All red and green. NO large 4-wheel drive to market through the years has killed alot of potential. Some large operators would probably think about Cat yellow because of name more than Agco orange. Alll these years and they just kept screwing up a marketing plan or lack of. It is sad but I will stick with a Gleaner as I just got a R75 this year and we really like it so far. Have had gleaners for over 30 yrs. Just as long as they don't put Massey stripes on it!

Posted By: Spud
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 9:09pm

No IL Gleaner I don't know your situation as you are just a name on the internet. I was merely pointing out that they still build the tractor you thought was great last week, just in a different color now. I don't think that warrants telling me to shut my mouth. I guess it is easy to be rude on the internet.

Byron, we do have Agco equipment. 2 Deutz allis, 1 massey, and 1 New Idea round baler.

Posted By: ac45
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 9:20pm

I somewhat have to agree with Illinois Gleaner. There is not much agco stuff around here, nearest dealer is 45 miles, but those who buy it are diehard orange people. Agco has good products, but i dont feel that they are that superior to the red and green to drive another 50 miles for parts sales and service, especially when they quit making the brand someone likes. around here the only Masseys you see are under a 80 hp, and its been that way forever, no one around here is going to buy a challenger tractor either. This brand reduction all sounds good from text book managment and econmics, but these people have never even sold lemonade from a lemonade stand, so in real world marketing they suck. Only a farmer can tell how a farmer will think, you cant get 5 degrees in marketing and sell to a farmer if youve never been one or grew up with them. Why do you think deere is so successful??

Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 9:26pm

If AGCO wants to leave the N A market and just market global tractors, why not just tell them to sell all Allis-Chalmers and all Gleaner patents and parts and copywrites to somebody that wants to keep the company in NA If there is nos ale for the stuff in this country, why would they care if you /a corporation were to start manufactoring them again.

yup, would take to much money to buy them rats out.

Posted By: Austin(WI)
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 9:55pm

well...there is still a couple years before this happens...maybe something will change.

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Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 10:05pm

Spud speak for yourself about being rude. You stated that I would be making a bad mistake going with Deere or CNH,making them a monopoly. You said I still like the tractor if its red or yellow because its the same tractor. So you must know me and know my farm,and my thoughts. So when I state facts to you about the distance I drive to stay loyal to Orange tractors and Silver combines,and it would be stupid to go out of my way 50 miles to change to a different color tractor on my farm. I am going to get pissed real quick.You have no clue about my farm ,I drive tractors that are orange ,because I think they are as good as the rest,and I can still drive orange tractors. I dont care how good they are in yellow or red I AINT DRIVING THEM. I have a orange pickup,4wheeler,and anything else you can think of. I bleed it!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have supported AGCO since it started. I stuck with them. They said I am not worth there buisness, so I go else where. HOW does that make me in the wrong. There is not a doubt in my mind,if they were not going to quit making orange tractors there would be a new DT205B sitting in my shed this spring,but instead its going to be a New 8245R,the dealer is 5 miles away.How is that stupid ????? I have to change colors they made that choice for me.

Illinois -almost Deere Gleaner :)

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Posted By: Hurst
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 10:16pm

From what I have found, Massey is the top selling tractor brand in the world right now, and has been there for 35 years. What makes business sense for AGCO in a global economy is to not get caught up with just the needs of one of their markets, the North American sector, but the global needs. As far as Deutz-Allis tractors in South America, it is most likely due to the lower needs of those farms. They cannot afford the new AGCO tractors and don't need that high tech of a tractor, so AGCO continues to sell the older models there. They are renamed AGCO-Allis now from what I could find.

I'm not saying I like seeing orange paint go, but at the same time, you the executives at AGCO are trying to keep a GLOBAL company alive. That means you will have to make some sacrifices in different markets. AGCO tractors may be outselling MF and Challenger 4-1 in NA, but what if NA is only 10% of their sales (I just made that figure up, I hope it is more). You can't assume most people are buying AGCO's just because of the orange paint. Most farmers bought them for the technology, innovation, and dealer support in their area. If they keep this dealer support, seeing how the MF tractors are the same exact tractor in different paint, many of these farmers probably won't really care about the slight change of color of their tractor. As far as people who just bought AGCO tractors, if they are identical to the MF tractors like I have read numerous times here, then I doubt replacement parts are going to be of any shortage in the near future.

I hate to see orange go away as much as many of you, but I also can understand where AGCO is most likely coming from. We don't see but a small slice of the story as far as what is going on inside the company, so it's really hard for us to make the best decisions for the company. AGCO sees it fit during this economy to cut out the orange line of tractors in an attempt to save money, but that doesn't mean the AGCO line of tractors will never reappear. It's possible they may come back after the economy gets going, or weirder things may happen, like them selling off the Allis Chalmers portion of the company. Only time will tell there.

Hurst

Posted By: Oldoug
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 10:56pm

I said it last week and I'll say it this week and probably the next, AGCO sucks, more importantly Martin Richenhagen sucks. This whole idea to phase out AGCO brand and promote such worthless brands as Challenger is his. I can't believe we can have AGCO buy out all these brands and now the name AGCO is what is gonna dissappear, shouldn't it work the other way or am I just understanding this wrong???? What Mr. CEO Martin Richenhagen's letter did on Thrusday can't be fixed either, even if they decide to bring back the orange tractor, it's over, nobody is gonna buy it cause they will remember that it can be taken right back with one letter to the dealers. Mr. CEO just killed alot of equipment sales of all AGCO brands. Everybody's belief in AGCO is shaken now, they don't know what is safe to buy, what brand is going to be around and the future is certainly uncertain. Nobody want's to support a brand that doesn't even support/promote itself. It just sucks. I don't like John Deere, but I have to give them credit, most of the stuff is made in the U.S.A., they promote themselves, their marketing is second to none, and they make their customers feel comfortable buying their equipment. I bet you'll will never here the CEO of John Deere come out and say "Do to a changing market we need to drop the name John Deere and effective 2010 we will be Deere Ag Corp. we will also be dropping the familar green paint used over the years in favor of a new color for this new begining. We appericiate our customers...blah, blah, blah.

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Posted By: Hurst
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 11:03pm

I agree with you, but a lot of this discussion, rightfully so, is based on the US market. They are actually keeping their big brand alive, Massey. As far as Cat, I feel like there's something going on behind the scenes we don't know about. If not, Cat at least ensures another market opportunity and dealer network to use. Cat owns Perkins now if I remember correctly, so... maybe that has something to do with it? I have to give Deere credit for their focus on the American market. AGCO has just shifted focus to a different sector. It's kind of hard to imagine as the company has bought out so many American companies, but a lot of their innovations have come through European companies, and those customers would be feeling the same way if one of their companies were cut out. I don't know what exactly they are looking for quantitatively by dropping AGCO, as it doesn't seem like AGCO can be much of a cost burden to them.

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Posted By: tominpa
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 11:08pm

I got to agrea with IL. We went green as well we bought a new 8530 last year and we ordered a green combine this fall. To hell with agco. they dont care about the American farmer so let them sell tractors to the chineese. we just bought out the remaining inventory from a recently closed agco dealership and i looked in his shed and he went out and bought 2 large deere mfwd tractors. He's bitter. Maybe that will get their attension but I doubt it.

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Posted By: Byron WC in SW Wi
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2009 at 4:49am

Spud - I appreciate what your trying to say but IMO IG is a great guy in my book. He may not like this comment but I've always thought he and I are a lot alike and would probably have a big wrestling match and then be best friends if we ever met. He speaks with his heart on his sleeve and he has been a huge supporter of AGCO since I've known him on here. But, he made it perfectly clear months back that if AGCO dropped orange they were betraying him. That's how I feel too. I should have paraphrased my comments on owning AGCO equipment to say only ORANGE AGCO equipment. Those are the ones whose value took a hit this week and who, in all likelihood, bought it primarily because it was orange.

Hurst - I don't trust AGCO and I don't trust their numbers. I trust the dealers and guys in the field that say AGCO outsells the others 4 to 1. I don't like double standards and hypocrits. Their AGCO-Allis brand could be in the US to with orange paint. Their keeping that for Brazil!!!??? You could probably sell more tractors in Texas than Brazil if you went at it. So anyway. It does not make sense fiscally or in any other way cause I don't trust their numbers and their not doing it across the board just to AGCO tractors. BTW - I think it's because of Martin R and this article why he's doing it: http://thegatheringoftheorange.blogspot.com/2009/10/what-might-future-of-agco-look-like.html#comments - http://thegatheringoftheorange.blogspot.com/2009/10/what-might-future-of-agco-look-like.html#comments

Posted By: Jack(Ky)
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2009 at 6:36am

It sounds just like the obama gang is running Agco. They want to see America go down the tube too.JP

Posted By: 1770
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2009 at 7:07am

You guys are worst then the deere nuts, Needs to be green to be good. Have a neighbor bleed green. had a jd tractor just out of warranty, small 90hp model, put 8k in the rear end, Looking at massey next time, shock to hear that.

Posted By: BrettPhillips
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2009 at 7:56am

TominPA:

I believe that you are closer to the truth than you realize. It seems that China is seen as the rising superpower these days, and the rest of the world is preparing to kneel at their feet, including AGCO... Gentlemen, we have been sold out.

Posted By: bigallis1
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2009 at 7:58am

TedBuiskerN.IL. wrote:

If that was the case, they should revive the Allis Chalmers brand. At one time that was as global as you could get. There are still Allis Crawlers and older tractors in Europe from WWII.

Good point Ted on the global thing.
And it could still be done today with the Agco line.

Posted By: bigallis1
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2009 at 8:09am

TomYaz wrote:

Tom,

Thank you for your response to AGCO Answers.

Stephen Barcuch

District Director - East Coast District

AGCO Corporation

>>>So what he is saying they only want to keep the brands with global recognition....

I commend Mr. Barcuch for taking the time to respond to the e-mail.
I would question how much research and supporting facts was really done.
Again, it sounds like the Marketing folks got their way.

Posted By: Spud
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2009 at 9:08am

Sorry you are so riled up ILGleaner. I know you are disappointed but I still don't think it warrants being rude and telling me to shut my mouth. I think it is possible to debate this without resorting to that.

If it makes sense to go to Deere, go nuts. I have no idea who is closest to you as you are just a name on the computer.

BTW, the Deere dealer wants Agco out of your county because of:

A: The feel betrayed by Agco like you or

B: They want to keep out competition.

My money is on B. Drop prices now and run the others out of business and then make it up later when there are no other options.

If going Deere works for your location and financial situation then that is what works for you. It is no skin off my butt.

Posted By: Anthony
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2009 at 9:08am

I just emailed AGCO and let them know how I feel

Posted By: Jim Lindemood
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2009 at 9:26am

Way to go Tom Yaz, you got a response from AGCO. Interesting how everybody in the country knows John Deere regardless of where they live or what they do. That's marketing. They have accessable dealerships and (in my experience) have been quite responsive and cutomer oriented. ( and I don't own a JD tractor - yet, nor want one - yet.) Nobody outside the farm industry or collectors know that AGCO exists or what brands they have, or where a dealer is -- that is a lack of marketing. Cutting back on the line and dealers is not marketing, and likely will not build your share of the business.

If AGCO is going to be a player in NA with any brand, they are going to have to come out of the closet and do some serious marketing and building customer relations.

Posted By: Anthony
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2009 at 9:38am

Jim you ought to email your post to AGCO, its very good and very true

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Posted By: Kip-Utah
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2009 at 11:29am

Along w/ A-C I'm also a Mopar Man. It's been a tough few years! The irony is that it was the Germans (Diamler) that done in Chrysler, just like Duetz did in Allis-Chalmers. And in both cases it happened in pretty short order. There was a time when Chrysler had very distinct models from Imperial, Chrysler, Desoto, Dodge, and Plymouth. When higher optioned Dodges became available Desoto was dropped, eventually Plymouths became nothing more than rebadged Dodges, and now Plymouth is also gone. The real lesson to be learned is that the original brands started by Walter Chrysler and The Dodge Bros. are the ones that are left. Imperial,Desoto, & Plymouth were all made up brands that this many years later still never carried the brand loyalty of the originals! For many years Chryco also marketed a version of Dodge medium and light duty trucks for the Canadian and other export markets, called Fargos. But today Dodge branded pickups do just fine in Canada and other export markets. After all Dodge was the original, compared to the made up brand of Fargo. Chrysler could have said that we are going to drop Dodge Trucks in the North American market, because internationally we do very well with the Fargo brand! That would have been assinine. There is a lesson to be learned. Can you say Challenger?!!

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Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2009 at 12:55pm

Hey Jim good point on the marketing thing, I emailed them last night about that, prolly for nuthing ; but never hurts to try- I put in there nobody even knows what they do market and the dealers are so few between - how could you have a good showing in North America ; ???

Posted By: Embellem
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2009 at 1:20pm

In hindsight, you had to figure AGCO would start pruning. AGCO spent years buying up all kinds of brands of equipment, many of them with overlapping product lines and markets. Never made much sense to me. There was no way that they could keep all of those brands going. Either it was short-sighted on their part to think they could or their plan has always been to pick and choose the product lines and even brands they like and cut the others.

Posted By: AndrewGubbels
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2009 at 1:37pm

I am very disapointed to hear how everyone is responding to this. As a service tech working with the product everyday I feel that the product being sold should not be as simple as if they do not make the color I want I will get something else. This is very disapointing. The faithfull customers will stick with whatever there dealer has to sell to them. Because a good dealer should offer good service and a good product. Customer satisfaction. I know alot of people are upset by some things taking place, I say buy new orange tractors just to show that they are selling. Not trade them off on green or other competators. This is just supporting why they are making this choice. I will try my best and have to help support our product if people are unhappy with it I am sorry we didnt do abetter job.

Andrew

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Posted By: BrettPhillips
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2009 at 2:06pm

Andrew:

As you skillfully pointed out, this is also about dealers. If existing AGCO dealers do not become MF dealers, then many AGCO owners will lose their source for parts and service at a reasonable distance. Here in the east, Cat dealers could care less about farm equipment and as a result Challenger dealers are rare birds. Limiting Challenger to Cat dealerships is really hurting the development of the yellow farm equipment market.

Posted By: ScottinSWIL
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2009 at 2:33pm

Andrew I guess one upsetting thing about it all is the fact that they come out with this great new looking series tractor and then announce its demise before it ever has a chance. It seems they are purposely timing this to justify there reasoning for discountinuing the orange paint. I'd would love one of the new "B" series tractors. Will probably like to trade the 8070 on one of the earler DT series shortly. As some others have said if we lose all local dealers , parts for the old orange will be a problem. I too have a JD dealer within 5 miles of the farm, but the Agco's have been alot of tractor compared to the cost of JDs. I just don't understand why if you are producing these in the same factory they can't just have certain days to fill North American orders with orange or whatever, just like they run the Massey and Gleaner combines on the same line in Hesston Ks. They probably wouldn't need a big marketing ploy in the US for the color orange anyway. One man calling the shots is not the will of the dealers out there that know what they can sell. Color isn't everything but they already pissed off the White customers and now the few orange that is left. I still will buy an orange if the right opportunity comes up here shortly. But thinking back, no wonder it has been so hard for dealers to get some new orange paint on the lot to sell. I think alot more of them could have been sold if they were just out there to sell (DT A series)

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Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2009 at 2:40pm

Scott if you are really looking for a good deal on a DT 220A 2005 model 1400 hrs email me I know where one is for a steal.

Posted By: Byron WC in SW Wi
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2009 at 3:53pm

I think that's the point Andrew. A lot of us drive past green, red, orange, (kubota), blue and yellow dealers to get to the orange one cause it was orange and the "Allis Gleaner Company." Now I love my dealer but I'm not going to drive that far to see red tractors where orange ones should be and support the company that killed Allis the second time.

This is kind of how I feel. It's like theirs been rumors that my girls been cheating on me but I don't want to believe it. I notice her not giving me as much attention but I pass it off. Then she comes out and writes me a letter that shes dumping me for this man that shes been sleeping with for awhile. Makes me wanna get away from that and start over.

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Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2009 at 4:30pm

Byron,

Its real simple. and I think the way you put it is perfect. You just didnt say the rest. You would like to bust there heads open for lying to you. The same way I feel towards AGCO.

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Posted By: AndrewGubbels
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2009 at 6:47pm

It sure would solve a lot of problems if they would just keep the orange tractor. I myself do not farm. I just work on them so it is a disappointment for me seeing both sides of the fence. No matter what happens guys lets keep posting on here and having fun with the real orange tractors that really matter. We all know what that is.....AC

Andrew

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Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2009 at 9:57pm

Someone once posted that this site is watched by people at AGCO and I'm sure they are getting an eyefull of what the real supporters of Allis Gleaner Co think. Weather it translates into a change in the head office, who knows, but it sure is fun to watch!

BTW, I was reading an article about the guy the president hired to oversee GM after the "buy out". He was amazed to find that the big brass at the headquarters didn't even use the same elevator as the people in the lower floors of the building. Talk about being out of touch!

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Posted By: Andrew(southernIL)
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2009 at 11:36pm

Well I guess I would have to look at a McCormick tractor if I was going to be looking to buy a tractor soon. There is a dealer close I think they are a good looking tractor and I have heard they bought the patents from the old international line, but I don't know if its true. I don't like Agcos decision and it doesnt make complete sense. A Massey is a red Agco but it dose have those initials "MFer" so if I had to buy red I think I would rather have a McCormick or even a case. I have talked way to bad about Deere to Deere people and wouldn't be able to live it down if I got one. My local Agco dealer also sells New Holland so if thats all they have left when the orange is gone I couldn't buy one cause they are just too ugly.

Posted By: TomYaz
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2009 at 5:49am

Darrin could find out for sure...Check his web statistics to see if anyone from AGCO's network visited.

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Posted By: Byron WC in SW Wi
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2009 at 7:14am

Some people from AGCO may watch this site but I bet they don't ride the same elevator as the ones who make decisions.

Posted By: AgcoDead
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2009 at 7:27am

AGCO lost my faith earlier in the year. I proudly purchased a White 6144 in the late 90's. Soon the BRAND was no longer important and was phased out. Then the troubles started. This tractor was nothing but a nightmare to get parts for. Over the past two years it was in the shop for 18 months. They could never find the matching part number. It took them months to find a simple driveline coupler to match. They would have to send the broken part off and have special built. It was almost comical as if this machine was a prototype built from non production parts. The dealer was super frustrated and I was irrate. lots of $$$ later I finally made the decsion to get rid of it for a JD. I have never owned a Deere but felt no other choice. We will see how it turns out but I have decided that AGCO, a company I want to succeed, will have to prosper without my particiaption. I hope the WHITE issue I had doesn't repeat for all of you AGCO guys. Good Luck.

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