Educate me on All Crop drills, got 2 home (pics)
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Topic: Educate me on All Crop drills, got 2 home (pics)
Posted By: Don(MI)
Subject: Educate me on All Crop drills, got 2 home (pics)
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2011 at 9:11pm
Well, just got the 2 all crop drills home, and noticed a couple differences. The disc openers are different, one drill has a double disc opener, and the other is a single. Whats the difference for? Also, one has a grass seeder box off the back, is this just for a cover crop? Tell me everything you guys know about all crop drills! I am a rookie! Also, pictures of your drills would be great! Lets see em!!
 Dog always seems to be in my tractor/implement photos. At least he likes orange paint!
  Double disc openers
 Single disc
  Grass seeder box
  I am thinkin this drive sprocket has never been used, what do you think?
 Not sure what that is....
     Anyone have a manual? I might need one! haha
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Posted By: Ryan Renko
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2011 at 9:15pm
| I'm glad you saved them from the scrapers Don!!! I dont know much about them but I know they are ORANGE!!! Dog seems excited also!! Ryan |
Posted By: Pat the Plumber CIL
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2011 at 9:17pm
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Glad you could keep them from the scrappers.nice load of orange.Don't know the first thing about them,just admiring ------------- You only need to know 3 things to be a plumber;Crap rolls down hill,Hot is on the left and Don't bite your fingernails 1964 D-17 SIV 3 Pt.WF,1964 D-15 Ser II 3pt.WF ,1960 D-17 SI NF,1956 WD 45 WF. |
Posted By: Ryan Renko
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2011 at 9:19pm
| I agree Pat!! I knew I spelled "scrappers" wrong!! I'm hoping others will school me on these drills!! Ryan |
Posted By: Auntwayne
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2011 at 9:38pm
| You had better protect those plant rate charts with your life !!! Love how good the boxes look !!! The insides are usually rusted out from fertilizer or neglect. You are correct about the main drive unit appearing not to have been used, IT HASN'T !!! Great find !!! |
Posted By: Dipstick In
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2011 at 9:43pm
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The first with two disks uses the two to open the seed furrow, the second has concave discs that open a fuurow with only one disc. Hope that explains it for you. ------------- You don't really have to be smart if you know who is! |
Posted By: Don(MI)
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2011 at 9:44pm
| Was one design better than the other? Was the the concave design an update over the double disc? |
Posted By: Ryan Renko
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2011 at 9:46pm
| Yes those boxes look great!! Just some surface rust outside. |
Posted By: junkman
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2011 at 9:46pm
| I would rather have the double disk any day. Seem to do a much batter job. |
Posted By: JoeO(CMO)
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2011 at 9:47pm
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Good Job! You are right, they are drive sprocket and the next picture is a depth stop ------------- |
Posted By: Dipstick In
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2011 at 9:47pm
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Don't know that one, but almost all of the modern drills and planters use two now. ------------- You don't really have to be smart if you know who is! |
Posted By: Ryan Renko
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2011 at 9:47pm
| I might be wrong but isnt there a gear that mounts on the tractor wheel that operates the drill by chain?? |
Posted By: R.W
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2011 at 9:48pm
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Them are some good looking drills you got there!!! ------------- In Search Of: 1958 Allis Chalmers D17 Diesel serial #9643D |
Posted By: Auntwayne
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2011 at 9:48pm
| The double center openers was a better design than the concave, what years are they ???? |
Posted By: Don(MI)
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2011 at 9:51pm
Ryan, thats the picture with the 4 bolts around the sprocket with a metal tag on it, I think! This is all new to me!
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Ryan Renko wrote:Posted By: Auntwayne
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2011 at 9:58pm
| I just looked at your pics of the openers again, the single openers look like they are not concave on the left, but, concave on the right, I'm sure they should all be straight . The seed drop tube, if concave openers, would be located just to the left, and directly behind the disc opener. |
Posted By: junkman
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2011 at 10:03pm
| The old JD's were a strait disk set at an angle if I remember right but my IH has the double. doesn't plug up nearly as bad and i have even used it a time or two to no till. |
Posted By: Don(MI)
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2011 at 10:16pm
I will check tomorrow, but I think they are all concave. I think its just one of them obstacle conlusions with the picture and camera angle.
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Posted By: Tracy Martin TN
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2011 at 10:36pm
| Your single disc have plain bearings. The double disc openers are ball bearing type.I have a copy of all the seed charts. I would like the complete wheel drive assembly to convert from tractor drive. They have something to set on also, than the flimsy stands. As far as single versus double, both have thier pros and cons.BTW, great save there, you should buy a lottery ticket also. HTH Tracy Martin |
Posted By: Tracy Martin TN
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2011 at 10:51pm
| The drive sprocket looks like 14 tooth. They are for WD and WD45. The CA uses 12 tooth sprocket. How many holes are your drills? HTH Tracy Martin |
Posted By: Don(MI)
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2011 at 4:56am
| Tracy, they are both 11 hole drills. |
Posted By: Don(MI)
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2011 at 11:13am
| Anyone else have any comments on planting with these drills? How they work? Any pictures? |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2011 at 11:48am
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From what little drill experience I have, the main seed boxes would have had wheat, oats or rye for the initial crop which would also be a cover crop for clover, alfalfa, and or grass mix for hay crop for the following year. The clover, alfalfa and such would be put on with the smaller boxes in back. ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: Ryan Renko
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2011 at 8:55pm
| Don, I hope you find the lift arms you are looking for!! My brother and I discussed your drill purchase today. I dont want to be too nosey, but what was the price you paid for those two?? If you dont want to tell me I'll understand. Atleast they are going to a good home instead of being scrapped!! Ryan |
Posted By: Don(MI)
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2011 at 9:36pm
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Ryan, I don't mind at all, the price is on the auction site anyways. Between the 2 of em, I ended up paying $580. I look at it this way, I have never even seen a snap coupler all crop drill in my local area, ever. I asked grandpa if he knew of any in the area growing up, he said only 1 that he could remember, in the 1950's. I found out later from the neighbors, that my 2 drills were originally purchased in Grand Rapids, Michigan. They were hauled over to my side of the state about 6 years ago.
Actually was workin on one of them tonight! Getting things freed up, loosened up so everything works. Still can't believe the condition of the boxes on the double disk drill, I will have to do a youtube video on em later.
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Posted By: Don(MI)
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2011 at 9:49pm
| Now heres the question, If I get both in great working order, how much would they be worth? Curious..... |
Posted By: Ryan Renko
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2011 at 9:50pm
| Although there was slight rust on the outside, the inside boxes looked like they were brand new!! I'll pick my dads brain tomorrow and ask him about these AC drills and see what he knows about them. I wonder what years they were made?? I'm sure Norms book would tell. Thanks for keeping them for going to waste. Ryan |
Posted By: Kyle(MN)
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2011 at 9:05am
Here's a couple pics of mine. Use it every for wheat or beans. Could use a fertilizer agitator if anyone has a lead on one!
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Posted By: Kyle(MN)
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2011 at 9:06am
And the side...
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Posted By: Don(MI)
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2011 at 12:28pm
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Posted By: JimIA
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2011 at 1:12pm
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Don will send you a PM. Heres a few shots of one of my drills.    |
Posted By: Don(MI)
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2011 at 9:40pm
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Thanks for the pictures kyle and jim!!
Kyle, where did you get those decals for your drill? Did you have them made?
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Posted By: Kyle(MN)
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2011 at 9:48pm
| Don- The diamond logo and the "Allis Chalmers" should be readily available from Lyle Wacker or another similar source. The All-Crop Drill decal needs to be custom made. I've had alot of such decals made at a local auto graphics design shop at reasonable rates (less than $50 depending on complexity, colors, size, etc.). With computers, it should be pretty easy for a shop like that to take a picture and make the decal. PM me if you need more info, or a better photo shot. |
Posted By: Ryan Renko
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2011 at 9:56pm
| I just scoped out your youtube video Don!! Now I want one too!! Ryan |
Posted By: Don(MI)
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2011 at 10:04pm
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Thanks Kyle, thats what I wanted to know. I have a local sign guy that I think can make up some "All Crop Drill" decals when I need em.
Here are some pics from today. Really cool, I spent the afternoon with my dad and grandpa, drilling oats and wheat just to use the drill. Great fathers day!!
  Me
 The seed feeders look like a dark green color. Also the front disk bar, and all the disk look like the original color was dark blue. Is that right?
 Grandpa
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Posted By: jannypan
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2011 at 10:06pm
| I knew I spelled "scrappers" wrong!! I'm hoping others will school me on these drills! |
Posted By: Fields
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2011 at 5:19am
| I though I had a Lyle Wacker decal brochor. Can't find it Thought he had all-crop drill decals for sale. |
Posted By: HagerAC
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2011 at 12:00am
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I have got an extra 11 hole grass seed attachment laying around here with all hardware/sprockets to make it work. Willing to sell as I don't have an All-Crop Drill
------------- 30+ A-Cs ranging from a 1928 20-35, to a 1984 8070FWA, Gleaner R52 |
Posted By: john(MI)
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2011 at 7:21am
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I'm still waiting for my finders fee!!! LOL!!!
I'm really glad you got them Don, and they are in great shape. ------------- D14, D17, 5020, 612H, CASE 446 |
Posted By: Don(MI)
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2011 at 7:44am
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Haha, thanks again John!
I told my dad the other day, "See, that was not a bad buy at all, AND it worked great for what we drilled!" He thought so too! At the time I bought em', I think he might have thought I was crazy!
Heres a couple pics, planting with the WD. Rye for the deer..
  ------------- Galatians 5:22-24 "I got a pig at home in a pen and corn to feed him on, All I need is a pretty little girl to feed him when I'm gone!" |
Posted By: David Grubb
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2011 at 9:07am
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You really lucked out by getting the special wheel bolts that the wheel driven sprocket bolts to. You remove 4 regular wheel bolts and install the 4 bolts in their place. When you want to use the drill the sprocket just bolts into the ends of the special bolts. I have tried to get these bolts for my drill but they are no longer available and just never show up anywhere. There is an adjustable stop that attaches to the hydraulic lever quadrant that keeps you from lowering/dropping the drill too fast; very needed item.
------------- Dave |
Posted By: Dusty MI
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2011 at 8:45pm
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Why did most all grain drills have an odd number of openings? Dusty ------------- 917 H, '48 G, '65 D-10 series III "Allis Express" |
Posted By: Chalmersbob
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2011 at 9:55pm
| Dave, I may have an extra set of the special bolts to mount the sprocket. If I remember correctly, I got a set on a tractor that I bought and also got a set on a sprocket that I purchased to us with my 11 hole drill. The sprocket was missing when I got it, but what do you want for $30.00. let me look around. Bob |
Posted By: Leonard
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2011 at 9:56am
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Don, can you measure one of your drills, back to end of the sc tongue. I am picking one upon Sunday and it will be loaded in the back of a full size pickup. I just want to know if it will fit. Thanks Leonard
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