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Topic: 8030
Posted By: Dean/MN
Subject: 8030
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2010 at 4:23pm
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What is the difference on an 8030 to an 8050/8070 for hp. besides not having an intercooler? Are injectors different, turbo? Is there any problem opening the pump up to 150 if it's only used for planting and hauling? Primary tillage is done with 4wd Versatile so it won't be pulled hard. Mostly just need a little extra power to pull a 16 row planter in rolling hilly ground. ------------- HD16,917H,185,7050,8030FWA,8050FWA |
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Posted By: Dans 7080
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2010 at 4:30pm
| 8030, 133.75 8050, 152.40 8070, 170.72 pto hp Im not sure about the injectors or the turbo. I do know that my 7060 and 7080 have different turbos. |
Posted By: Dean/MN
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2010 at 9:03am
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bump
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Posted By: Steve M C/IL
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2010 at 9:20am
| Shouldn't be an issue adding hp.Radiators weren't overbuilt so you might have heating problems if you crank it too much.Literature says fully counter weighted crank on 8070(but it's still missing a couple).My 135hp 220 has been @170 for 20yrs. |
Posted By: Dean/MN
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2010 at 9:32am
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Is the radiator thicker on an 8050 than an 8030?
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Posted By: 427435
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2010 at 9:40am
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If my memory isn't too bad, there were differences in the rear end. I believe the 8030 had a 2 pinion diff while the 8050 and 8070 had 4 pinion differentials. There might be a difference in the width of the planetary final drives as well. People have been supping up tractors forever, but I learned an interesting thing from the Chief Engineer, Drivetrains years ago. If the torque on a drivetrain is increased just 10%, its life is cut almost in half. ------------- Mark B10 Allis, 917 Allis, 7116 Simplicity, 7790 Simplicity Diesel, GTH-L Simplicity Ignorance is curable-----stupidity is not. |
Posted By: Dean/MN
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2010 at 10:20am
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Mark, Is the rear end in the 8030 the same as the 8010 and thus lighter than the 8050? ------------- HD16,917H,185,7050,8030FWA,8050FWA |
Posted By: skipwelte
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2010 at 10:35am
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An 8030 had narrower gears in the planetary final drive, I think the same rear end was used in the 8010, yes everything was heavier in the 8050s. Internal parts in the engine were different too, pistons, turbo, injectors, there were many minor things different. I wouldnt go any higher than 150, as was mentioned above it shortens the life of the eng and drive line. Good luck |
Posted By: Dean/MN
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2010 at 12:09pm
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How does it compare to the 7000 series as far as rear end build? Is the 7030/7050 similar to 8050 or 8030?
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Posted By: skipwelte
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2010 at 12:32pm
| 7030 and 8030 rear ends are similar, 7050 and 8050 rears are similar. Not exactly the same, I dont remember if they went to a 4 pinion diff in the 8030s or not, seems they did. HTH |
Posted By: Dans 7080
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2010 at 12:41pm
| The rear axles are as follows 8070 and 7080, 4", 8050 7060 and 7045, 3.75", 7020, 3.65" 8030 and 8010, 3.625". This comming from orginal sales brochure. |
Posted By: rieg
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2010 at 1:39pm
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We had the pump rebuilt on our 8030 last year, the head mechanic recomened having it rebuilt 10% over stock, that done it was set on the dino to 153 hp. We also had the radiator rebuilt it is now the same as our 8050s. No problems, they are both mfwd I would think you would need that with a 16 row planter. ------------- rieg |
Posted By: Dave in il
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2010 at 1:49pm
| I pull a JD 7000 16 -30 planter with no till coulters with a 7060 set at 160 hp with no problems. 150 hp should be fine. |
Posted By: Dean/MN
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2010 at 2:45pm
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Upgrading from a JD 12 - 30" planter that we pulled with a 8070 2wd to a 16 -30" Case IH that we recently got on auction. Thinking that we should be able to pull it better with a 8030 FWA that we recently purchased. We were looking for an 8050 or 8070 FWA but found a nice 8030 at a good price. The new to us 8030 is an '85 so it's late model, where there any changes made between the early ones and the late ones. We had an early 8030 2wd that we bought new and it didn't seem to have as much power as this one. Thanks for all the input. Dean ------------- HD16,917H,185,7050,8030FWA,8050FWA |
Posted By: 427435
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2010 at 4:59pm
Again, after 25 years, my memory may have a glitch or two in it. Anyway, as I remember, the 8010, 8030, and 7020 2wd were all the same. The 8050 and 7060 got a 4 pinion diff, and wider planetaries. The 7080 and 8070 2wd had still wider planetaries. I could be wrong, but I remember that the 8070 FWD ended up with the same planetaries as the 8050/7060. Besides being cheaper, they allowed a wheel tread closer to 60". I don't remember what the 7045 had, but likely the same as the 7060. If someone has access to parts books or has other knowledge, please correct. ------------- Mark B10 Allis, 917 Allis, 7116 Simplicity, 7790 Simplicity Diesel, GTH-L Simplicity Ignorance is curable-----stupidity is not. |
Dean/MN wrote:Posted By: Dave in il
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2010 at 5:18pm
It may or may not be turned up more than your first 8030. My 8050 dynos nearly 10 hp less than my 7060 but you'd never know it when the FWA is engaged. They pull the same tillage equipment and the 8050 usually is faster, all else being equal, due to less slippage.
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Posted By: tbran
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2010 at 6:22pm
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axel sizes on 7000/8000's depends on long or short axles, all long axles were 3.75 or 4." 3 5/8" were only on short (yankee ) tractors. (Machinery clerks in the Tx, Memphis, and Atlanta branches were shot at sunrise if a short axle tractor was shipped south.)
IF mexican hat duals were ordered 4" axles were installed - even though parts sometimes does not reflect this - much digging required in this case. 8030 planetaries were the same as 7030 7040 and 7580 and 4w220. 7010 7020 8010 8030 7580 4w220 had 2 pinion diffs. 7045 and all others up had 4 pinion diffs. 7045 8050 8070 8550 305's had same planetaries . 7045 7050 7060 7080 8050 8070 all had same ring gear and pinions. (7080 - 8070 2 wd had same planataries 8070 fwa had smaller 8050 planetaries) 7010 7020 7030 7040 had same ring gear pinion in two sn ranges early and late 7010 7020 8010 8030 had same ring gear and pinions. All high crops were the same final drives. All 7000 tranny housing were the same and all 8000 housings were the same - both will interchange - filter hsgs different and provision for FWA on 8000's.
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Posted By: tbran
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2010 at 6:58pm
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also all turbos on the 7010 8010 7020 were the same through parts HOWEVER upon close inspection the exhaust A/R ratio was .69 on 200 and some 7000's and a .58 A/R on the 7020's ( and most Gleaner 301's) . Harvey built so many engines for different applications that if they had a call for tractor engines , some times turbos didn't get changed on the 7000 7010 and some gleaners. 74060701 was supposed to be the .58 A/R for more boost. 74060013 was the .69 housing. Hard to tell the difference.
7030-7060 all had same turbo's and fuel pumps with 29 mm 4 roller pumps. 7080 had a 31mm Roosa 4w220's 7080's 8030-8050-8070 all had same turbo as did N5/6's.
8550's used 2 7060 turbo's cept after 12L-l 624 the .96 A/R exhaust was changed to a .8 A/R - there again sometimes it just didn't match as Harvey put on what they had to fill the order in a pinch - no problem and would not notice in the field.
As to injectors, all AC injtrs were the same on turbo 301' - 426 7000's cept on 7080 -7580 and N series with AC tips - Bosh were all the same 8000 series at .36mm 74036651 tip
7010 7020 had different tips for the copper sleeves in head . 6000 series 433I and T engines , were dependant on what compression ration pistons were installed. More than I intended to post and more than you wanted to know but , ya got the whole load.
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Posted By: Dean/MN
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2010 at 7:54pm
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Thanks again for all the good info. Just want to make sure we have enough ponies to pull the new planter.
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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2010 at 7:55pm
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Interesting information tbran. My 7050 has the long axles at 3 5/8". Would like to find a replacement as mine is damaged from loose dual hub. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: Steve M C/IL
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2010 at 8:48pm
| And then there was the last 8070's beginning @ser#2662 which went to the 8050 finals and narrow tread width.Mine is 3092 |
Posted By: Kevin in WA
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2010 at 8:54pm
| All 7030 and 7050 long and short axles were 3 5/8. 3 3/4 axles came with 7040 and 7060. Also 7010,20 and 8010 had narrow version of the 7030,40 planetary. |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2010 at 9:23am
| Question for Dean/MN: Are you thinking the CaseIH is a better planter than a Deere, or just changing cause the price was right to get more rows. I'm not trying to start a CaseIH/Deere war, just wondering because I'm kinda sorta planter shopping, and trying to objectively cover all bases, and not to fussy about color. Had my sites on a Deutz 385, but a snoozed too long and it got sold. Thanks, Darrel |
Posted By: Dean/MN
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2010 at 8:20pm
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Darrel, not a color issue just upgrading to a newer bigger planter. Now we have another issue as I was in SE MN today at an auction and bought another planter. This one is a White 6180 16-30" and looks to be very clean also. The Case IH that I was previously talking about is actually a 24-20" and we were going to make it a 16-30" but now am not sure which one to keep.
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Posted By: Dans 7080
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2010 at 8:30pm
| Keep the White, you will be very happy with it. I have had one for about 10 years and wouldnt trade it. Its a 6-30. My uncle has a Kinze (also a good planter) but a few years ago the seed company (i heard they all did) had trouble with seed sizing. It didnt effect the White at all but He had trouble with the Kinze. |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2010 at 9:53pm
| Dean, hate to keep pesterin you, but what are good planters bringing on auctions in MN. We don't see many planters in my area. Kind of hoping to maybe get into a little custom planting this coming spring, as row crops are getting more and more popular around here. Thanks, Darrel |
Posted By: Dean/MN
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2010 at 10:27am
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Darrel, The White I bought yesterday went for 14k. It's in very good condition with trash whips and inst. boxes.What size and or brand are you looking for? ------------- HD16,917H,185,7050,8030FWA,8050FWA |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2010 at 11:44am
| Dean, I'm not too fussy about what brand it is, would like about a 12 row, 30. Did kind of think I had to have a Deutz 385, but a John Deere, CaseIH, or White would all work out fine. Need it too be set up for no-till, and would like to have fertilizer on it as well, either liquid or dry. My Allis planter that I have now is set up to put down starter an micro nutrients in furrow, and 28-0-0 in between the rows. I like that arrangement. I put both systems on myself on that planter, so I could do some up grades to one like that as well. What do you do for fertilizer? The white you bought sounds like it was a pretty good buy. Darrel |
Posted By: Dean/MN
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2010 at 5:49pm
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We don't put on fert. with planter just broadcast b4. If that was a comparable JD planter it would have been at least 2x the price.
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