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Topic: Block heater woes -301
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Subject: Block heater woes -301
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2026 at 9:26pm
Have a 78 545B loader with 301 engine. I've put 2 new 1500wt block heaters in it. First one 10? yrs ago which worked once or twice before burning plug end up.Post melted. Put last one in Dec 24. It set alot because of tranny issues. Fixed trans over summer and put about 75 hrs on since. Have been pluggin in for cold starts and everthing was good,until today. NOT WORKING! Stone cold. Have used heater maybe 10 times. It had a non working unit in it when I bought it. It is mounted in a thick plate (1" thd) bolted to the front of block on rt side below and toward rt of water pump. (engine in backward) There is a narrow water passage running length of block where it is. The element is about 5in long and does not touch block but is very close fit. Is it too confined and cooks itself? last was zerostart brand. The 190 and 7020 tractors have a diamond shaped plate at rr end of block (according to parts book) that uses a hooked heater with plate.  That port has a water manifold bolted there which goes around block and feeds engine and trans coolers on other side. There is a diamond plate on front left side of head. Would that tractor heater fit in the head and work? I'll have to get the plate off to see how much room is inside there. Inet shows a 400wt little short version element that would fit in my current location but is 400wt enough to warm it in a couple hours? I'd like to stay with the 1500wt heater but can't get them to live. Any help appreciated.



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Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2026 at 4:43am
IIRR, don't the plug type have to be clocked to a certain position? loop up?  Should be in the directions of the heater kit.  You might also try a coffee pot type, but those have to be mounted upright(vertical), and you have to mount using bypass hoses...

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Posted By: calico190xt68
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2026 at 10:24am
I have installed a zerostart freeze plug block heater on my 67 190xt and recently my 68 190xt because neither had the special port.  I also installed a zerostart in my 7010, which has the special port and the plate install.  My 67 190XT was done 6 years ago and no problems of a meltdown.  My 7010 was replaced by me I think 2 years ago.  None of them have burnt up or stopped working so I think that is quite odd.  I have used them quite a bit.  

I don't think you will want to put in a 400 Watt version.  It will not get hot enough in a few hours.  After installing a 600 Watt in my 68 190xt, it struggles to get the block warm when the temp goes below 20 degrees.  I measured the temp on the heater side and it was 45 degrees, but on the opposite side, it was like 30 degrees.  The outside air was 10 degrees.  

Here's a couple of ideas to consider:

1) Measure the output of the voltage of the receptacle you are using?  Is it 120+ volts?
2) Are you using the same receptacle every time or do you use different ones?
3) Could you be using an inferior extension cord?  I use a heavy duty 12 awg cord on mine.  Does the short pigtail cord have damage to it causing overheating?
4) Orientation is important but most of them will only orient one way.  190xt has the element going to 3PM position for freeze plug but you are using the port.  You can only put it in one way from what I remember on my 7010.
5) When I did a search on the Allis part number, I got the 1000 watt block heater come up and not a 1500 watt version.  Could you be buying the wrong part number and that element is touching the metal?  I think 1500 watt will have more element extending into the block.  Zerostart model that is compatible with 7010 engine is 350-0014 and is 1000 watt.
6) The other possibility is that your coolant is low and not completely covering the element.  This will cook them quickly.
7) I didn't know this but the AI bot said if you leave them plugged in 24/7 it can also cause them to fail.  I have left mine plugged in all night because I wanted to use it the next morning.  It suggested no more than 3 hours at a time.

Electrical things can be quite elusive so good luck.  I really like using the block heaters but at about $130 a pop, that sucks to see them stop after short term use.


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Posted By: Ed (Ont)
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2026 at 10:31am
Leaving it on for extended period should not hurt. I used to leave block heater on all weekend on N14 cummins in gravel hauler. Was still working at a million km. I did replace the cord a couple times over the years. Cord was available separately right from the dealer at that time! You do have to have a heavy extension cord to run it. 


Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2026 at 1:07pm
Kats list a 1500wt for my 8070 but it is in the back of the oil cooler sticking into block with plenty of water around it. I have been using only a 14ga cord. Have a 12 but didn't grab it.I don't think the heater cord is 12ga. Mine is not a case of low water level.


Posted By: orangereborn
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2026 at 2:22pm
I put 400W heater on the winter 180 loader tractor.   took the diamond plate off, cut the old thread hole out and welded in a pipe fitting to position the element. bolted the plate back on.  Heater about $15. Not fast but just leave it plugged into an off-peak circuit when using it  regularly...Well in excess of 5 years and still working...Dale


Posted By: Michael V (NM)
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2026 at 3:08pm
one thing I been told to do,, is unplug the block heater and let set a few minutes before starting the engine. I believe this is so a rush of cold coolant doesn't hit a hot element, but that's jus WAG 

I ordered one from agco for my 8010, it goes in a port just above the starter,. I don't know how the engine is configured in the payloader, the starter may be on the opposite side??? 


Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2026 at 3:45pm
Starter is on side of inj pump the port above it is manfolded around back of head to 2 oil coolers. No plugs in manifold to stick a heater in.


Posted By: calico190xt68
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2026 at 5:21pm
I didn't fully understand your original post, I think.  Sounds like you don't have the normal port for a block heater.  You have a 1 inch threaded plug opening which means you can use an immersion heater.  I looked at Zerostart and they have a 1 inch 1000 watt immersion heater plug (8600090 model) that is 3/4 inch shorter than the 1 inch by 5 inch long, 1500 watt model, assuming you are using that model.  Wonder if that is worth trying?  Seems to me that touching the metal may be the most likely culprit since everything else you mention seems to not be the problem.  You could stick something in the hole and determine how much clearance you have.

I always unplug my heater before starting but haven't waited very long.  Good luck.  It is cold and snowy here in Indiana this week. I am guessing you could use it to move some snow around.




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Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2026 at 10:25pm
Yes I can and did. Took booster charger to 20 deg shed,gave it some pumps on the primer,heated the glow plug for 45 seconds and started cranking. After a few turns it started firing and stayed on the starter til running! YAAAH ! let it warm up 20 minutes and started playing. Frozen ground is a blessing. Parked it in my heated shop till I get another heater installed. You thread it into the mounting block and then bolt block to front of engine block. You can wiggle it around in that narrow passage a small amount without touching sides so I'm sure it has enough clearance that it's not touching when bolted up.


Posted By: calico190xt68
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2026 at 9:34am
Good to know you got it started!  I have about 12 to 14 inches of snow here and continues to blow and drift and I imagine you do as well in Illinois.

I would try the 1000 watt just to try something different and a 12 awg cord but that is your call.  It is hard to do the same thing over and over and expect different results.


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Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2026 at 12:09pm
I'd use at least a size larger wire in the extension cord than the heater has as it'll lose some current going thru the cord


Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2026 at 10:30pm
So parts guy came up with 1500WT single stem heater from zerostart. Will stick it in there and give it a whirl. #8605556  I found one online pic with the single stem and that number. Bunch of others with that # that go out loop and return. Internet AND vendors suck. What's real?


Posted By: calico190xt68
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2026 at 10:55pm
I went to the zerostart website, opened their parts catalog, found my part number and had AutoZone order it for me. I had to wait a week as it was an odd size and AutoZone only stocks popular sizes. I agree that you really have to do your own research now.

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Posted By: Stan R
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2026 at 5:30am
My money's on that it's a loop and the picture you saw is wrong.


Posted By: calico190xt68
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2026 at 7:06am

Here is what it looks like from ZeroStart parts catalog.  So, it is a loop.


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Posted By: calico190xt68
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2026 at 7:37am

Here is the cordset that it uses too.  Looks like it is a 16 gauge wire.  So, 12 or even a 14 gauge extension cord depending upon how far the distance is to the receptacle, would work.


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Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2026 at 10:08am
Originally posted by Stan R Stan R wrote:

My money's on that it's a loop and the picture you saw is wrong.
I would bet you're right except the guy on the phone had it in his hand and said it was a single element. It'll be delivered today so we shall see....


Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2026 at 8:35pm
Yep! a loop. Will install and see


Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2026 at 10:56am
Update. Talked to rep and he says because of it's size and location it is boiling water off creating air void which causes burn out. Explained to him the blackening of element leg and he says that's a sure sign of air void. On to plan B.


Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2026 at 3:11pm


Testing...try to learn posting....


Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2026 at 3:24pm
Originally posted by SteveM C/IL SteveM C/IL wrote:



Testing...try to learn posting....

Is the picture posted 90 degrees off?


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Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2026 at 4:03pm
It is not


Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2026 at 4:27pm


Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2026 at 4:33pm


Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2026 at 4:38pm


Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2026 at 4:47pm


Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2026 at 4:49pm


Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2026 at 5:02pm
Dave here the full pic. That elbow is back in the corner.


Posted By: calico190xt68
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2026 at 5:37pm
Glad you figured out posting of pics! Did the rep suggest using the 1000 watt version to prevent the boiling scenario? I wonder if the 3/4 inch less length would keep it from boiling? You could also use the 400 watt version, if 1000 watt is still too big. Curious what plan b is?

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Posted By: im4racin
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2026 at 6:25pm
Hey!  That picture looks familiar!


Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2026 at 8:03pm
Told ya I was learning....more work to grab someone's pic off a text and get it here.


Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2026 at 8:12pm

This mine. You can see where heater is. The orange one belongs to another forum member. My fuel filter blocks port his uses for heater.


Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2026 at 8:15pm

Mine


Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2026 at 8:23pm
Easiest plan B is put a tank heater on but I don't like where it needs positioned Drain plug on side of block up to tstat hsg. I may pull that filter etc off to see what.


Posted By: im4racin
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2026 at 9:31pm
No worries!  I don’t mind that you used it!


Posted By: TedN
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2026 at 11:57pm
I had to look at my tractor engine, whoever did the swap moved the filter housing down, it also has a dual filter. I will try to link the picture so you can zoom in on it.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/upuHsvhmEyBiamBh9" rel="nofollow - https://photos.app.goo.gl/upuHsvhmEyBiamBh9
It looks like that would make it a lot easier to put the heater in, and it would be more centered in the block.

Ted

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Posted By: calico190xt68
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2026 at 8:55am
Originally posted by SteveM C/IL SteveM C/IL wrote:

Easiest plan B is put a tank heater on but I don't like where it needs positioned Drain plug on side of block up to tstat hsg. I may pull that filter etc off to see what.

Seems like it is going to be a lot of work to go to a Tank Heater.  Wouldn't the 1000 watt heater be less heat and less likely to boil the coolant?  Is that worth a try or did the rep say that won't work at all?  Was the rep a Zerostart tech person?   Does it make sense to ask them?  I know you have burnt up every one you tried so I understand why you don't want to try the 1000 watt version or maybe even the 400 watt version.  


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Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2026 at 10:21am
Talked to zerostart engineer. He wasn't comfortable with 1000wt at that location. A 700 maybe but cost add up burning em up doing trial and error. A tank heater could mount on frame rail and have about 20 inches of hose for both inlet and outlet. Literature on tanks say to keep out of weather. It would be somewhat under fender and I plan to keep it under roof so that might be okay. I just like "clean" installs. Sometimes your choices are limited. The tank i looked at was recommended for up to 26? qt system. Mine is around 34qt. It was 1500wt. This is getting complicated....


Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2026 at 1:00pm
TedN...could you get a pic of the other side? I see your engine has that water manifold going around the back of head too headed to oil cooler? My water pump is different than a tractor but application list loader and Gleaner M&L 301's as same.


Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2026 at 1:10pm
I would try a 700 watt and see if that works. It seems like that would heat slower and not boil.


Posted By: TedN
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2026 at 4:10pm
https://photos.app.goo.gl/GPif8dscg9Zu2VjU6" rel="nofollow - https://photos.app.goo.gl/GPif8dscg9Zu2VjU6
I think this is the correct link.

Ted

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Posted By: calico190xt68
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2026 at 7:11pm
Originally posted by SteveM C/IL SteveM C/IL wrote:

Talked to zerostart engineer. He wasn't comfortable with 1000wt at that location. A 700 maybe but cost add up burning em up doing trial and error. A tank heater could mount on frame rail and have about 20 inches of hose for both inlet and outlet. Literature on tanks say to keep out of weather. It would be somewhat under fender and I plan to keep it under roof so that might be okay. I just like "clean" installs. Sometimes your choices are limited. The tank i looked at was recommended for up to 26? qt system. Mine is around 34qt. It was 1500wt. This is getting complicated....

That's good to know you completely explored that with Zerostart.  Given how complicated things are getting, I might blow another $130 on the 700 watt version, then go to the tank heater after that.  I had a tank heater and while it worked, it took 3-4 times longer to heat up.  Of course, tank heater is better than no heat at all.  It is crazy how big of a rats nest this has become but old equipment always has it's challenges.  I know you will whip it.  Good news is that you can take a picture and post it now when you finally get success. Smile


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Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2026 at 10:27pm
Yes Ted. That's what I was after. On my loader the rear cooler is as yours and cools the oil. The cooler connected to the water pump is for the trans but I don't see any connections or plumbing for such. Mine has two 1/2 in npt connectors welded on the side that hoses hook to.


Posted By: im4racin
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2026 at 10:29pm
The combine used a tube in place of the trans oil cooler used on the loaders


Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2026 at 10:30pm
Well that makes sense!


Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2026 at 9:51pm
the latest....put a 1000wt heater in my loader. Straight version like the 1500 i've burnt out. If this fails I'll have to modify my f/filter mount and use the bent one like a tractor uses. It's a 1000wt.  Certain it would work but just couldn't help myself and tried this first. Experience is a great teacher.


Posted By: Stan R
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2026 at 5:48am
Why not a magnetic oil pan heater (500W ??) and your coolant 700w (or less if that size is burning up) heater ?


Posted By: calico190xt68
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2026 at 7:23am
Originally posted by SteveM C/IL SteveM C/IL wrote:

the latest....put a 1000wt heater in my loader. Straight version like the 1500 i've burnt out. If this fails I'll have to modify my f/filter mount and use the bent one like a tractor uses. It's a 1000wt.  Certain it would work but just couldn't help myself and tried this first. Experience is a great teacher.

I think it is worth a try given the level work for the other plan.  Hope it works!


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Posted By: TedN
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2026 at 10:32am
I have enjoyed this thread, I am now thinking about putting a heater in my seriesIII. I don't want to hijack the thread but I noticed the loader engine has a double belt setup. Does anyone know the part number for the water pump pulley and where I could get one? I looked at some Gleaner books but so far all I have found looks to be single groove.
Thank you in advance.

Ted

edit: I just realized the 7000 uses a double belt system, I should be able to figure it out from here

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Posted By: DanWi
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2026 at 11:34am
Ted, the 200 had double belts.


Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2026 at 6:31pm
Originally posted by Stan R Stan R wrote:

Why not a magnetic oil pan heater (500W ??) and your coolant 700w (or less if that size is burning up) heater ?
I got one of them magnetic heaters somewhere but the time or two I put it on my 220 pan it didn't heat worth a crap. Was on for several hrs and pan wasn't warm enough to tell a difference. The Allis heater for a 301 is 1000wt and there's 2 members at least  here that use them and they don't fail so I'm thinking maybe this straight heater will be ok. They are both in the same water jacket just the tractor one is in the "middle" and mine is in the front end where a tractor water pump feeds the block. I would rather have plenty of heat because when it's zero and it's in a tin shed,I want it to START!!! I can't say how effective a 700wt heater would be.


Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2026 at 7:06am
Originally posted by SteveM C/IL SteveM C/IL wrote:

Originally posted by Stan R Stan R wrote:

Why not a magnetic oil pan heater (500W ??) and your coolant 700w (or less if that size is burning up) heater ?
I got one of them magnetic heaters somewhere but the time or two I put it on my 220 pan it didn't heat worth a crap. Was on for several hrs and pan wasn't warm enough to tell a difference. The Allis heater for a 301 is 1000wt and there's 2 members at least  here that use them and they don't fail so I'm thinking maybe this straight heater will be ok. They are both in the same water jacket just the tractor one is in the "middle" and mine is in the front end where a tractor water pump feeds the block. I would rather have plenty of heat because when it's zero and it's in a tin shed,I want it to START!!! I can't say how effective a 700wt heater would be.

I had, basically, the same experience with the magnetic heater. I bought to put on my subcompact tractor for extreme cold weather. After being on for over two hours, the oil pan still felt cold, but maybe not quite as cold as the rest of the engine.

I ended up giving it to a neighbor who put in on his water pump in the barn for his beef cows.


Posted By: calico190xt68
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2026 at 7:31am
Originally posted by SteveM C/IL SteveM C/IL wrote:

the latest....put a 1000wt heater in my loader. Straight version like the 1500 i've burnt out. If this fails I'll have to modify my f/filter mount and use the bent one like a tractor uses. It's a 1000wt.  Certain it would work but just couldn't help myself and tried this first. Experience is a great teacher.


Curious if you have turned on the 1000 watt heater yet or if it has burned up like the others? I would think it would do it pretty soon if it was creating an air pocket like the rest.

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Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2026 at 11:18pm
Nah. I put it in last Friday,filled with coolant and left it. I think I'll run it some to be sure coolant is air free then plug it in and see what happens. Warmed up a bunch so don't "need" it now! LOL Shouldn't matter if cold or warm weather. Plug in and see what happens. Think I'll leave it for couple days and see what happens. Be nice if it could be installed "flat" but it has to be verticle (one leg above the other) to fit. The last one the top leg burned...but it's directly over the hot bottom one. Make sense? Could say I'm doing research!


Posted By: calico190xt68
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2026 at 11:21am
Sounds like a good plan. I agree doesn't matter if it is cold or hot, if it burns up. However, it should be in the 20s - 30s next week so good to test then. Let us know how it goes. I put a laser thermometer on mine at various places on the engine block to see how it worked, in case you have one. I got mine to test bearings on round baler in summertime.

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Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2026 at 11:43am
Problem is my infrared gun can't read the element, just the block.


Posted By: DanielW
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2026 at 12:03pm
Not that this helps, but I don't think I'll ever bother with a tank/recirc or freeze-plug/in-block style heater again. I know they theoretically heat a little faster because they heat the combustion area directly. And I know they're available in pretty high wattage. But I've installed several of them, and also several of the basic, inline, lower rad hose heaters. I've noticed very minimal (if any) difference in the performance between the two types. Maybe on a -30 day I might have to leave a tractor with a lower hose heater plugged in for an extra half hour compared to how long I'd need with an in-block style. But not different enough to cause me any concern.

Lots of folks seem to trash-talk lower rad hose style for not heating as effectively because the thermostat isn't open and you don't get natural convection, and it has to heat the rad coolant. But I have and use half a dozen or so of each type, and notice minimal (if any) difference. The lower rad hose ones are cheap, readily available (I've ordered two this winter off Amazon - arrived the next day), can be installed in minutes with no additional hoses/fittings, and are easily replaced if they do ever fail.

I will say to avoid the magnetic heaters. They do work. But they're veeeery slow compared to either the inline rad hose or freeze-plug type.


Posted By: Les Kerf
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2026 at 2:34pm
Originally posted by DanielW DanielW wrote:

Not that this helps, but I don't think I'll ever bother with a tank/recirc or freeze-plug/in-block style heater again. I know they theoretically heat a little faster because they heat the combustion area directly. And I know they're available in pretty high wattage. But I've installed several of them, and also several of the basic, inline, lower rad hose heaters. I've noticed very minimal (if any) difference in the performance between the two types. Maybe on a -30 day I might have to leave a tractor with a lower hose heater plugged in for an extra half hour compared to how long I'd need with an in-block style. But not different enough to cause me any concern.

Lots of folks seem to trash-talk lower rad hose style for not heating as effectively because the thermostat isn't open and you don't get natural convection, and it has to heat the rad coolant. But I have and use half a dozen or so of each type, and notice minimal (if any) difference. The lower rad hose ones are cheap, readily available (I've ordered two this winter off Amazon - arrived the next day), can be installed in minutes with no additional hoses/fittings, and are easily replaced if they do ever fail.

I will say to avoid the magnetic heaters. They do work. But they're veeeery slow compared to either the inline rad hose or freeze-plug type.

Thank you for the valuable insight, I have been contemplating installing some type of coolant heater on my Model C and have been wavering between the various types; your real-life experience most useful Smile


Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2026 at 8:02am
Update....was plugged in for 8 hrs in a 52deg shop. Water manifold down rt side of block was reading 145deg for at least the last 4 hrs and it was still working when I unplugged it. I may run it outside and plug it in for a day or two just to see what happens. I'm a little hesitant to leave it in the building incase something decides to flame up.LOL! Anyway,I think this 1000wt emersible heater is going to be ok.


Posted By: calico190xt68
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2026 at 10:54am
Thats goods news and I will keep my fingers crossed for you to avoid all that other work! That does seem really hot though but in subzero degrees and outside, it will be lower. I would think that 60 degrees on the opposite side of engine would be enough to start it easily. You may not need to leave plugged in more than an hour with that kind of heat.

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