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Topic: 516

Posted By: Brock58
Subject: 516
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2025 at 8:58pm

Has anyone put a 516 in a d21 curious as to what all had to be done for it to fit

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Posted By: tbran
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2025 at 11:47am

The only contribution I can make is to state the rear main seal and wear sleeve seem to be common with the 426 .... that means flywheel issue is not unsurmountable.

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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2025 at 5:47pm

I imagine Mark Gettinger has done one or more. For a puller, you'd have to have a steel flywheel made anyway, so that's easy. The starter to flywheel/ring gear dimension and then maybe rework the D-21 engine backplate to fit the 516 block would solve that issue, and the bolting up to the bell housing.

Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2025 at 6:45pm

Isnt the 516 alot heavier than a 426??

Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2025 at 7:17am

A basic 426 intercooled 220 HP engine weighs 1465 lbs. A basic 516 intercooled 270 HP engine weighs 2360 lbs. The 516 family engine (also made in a 4 cylinder 344 cube version) was a carry over from the Buda company days, probably a mid/late 1940's initial design. The 426 was an all new modern Allis-Chalmers design from the early 1960's (as also was the 301/200 family). It is a larger heavier engine design per cubic inches of displacement. If it compared to a 426 design for weight, it should be about 1800 lbs, not 2360 lbs. The 516's physical size and weight actually compares to a Cummins L-10 (600 cubes) or M-11 (660 cubes) which weigh 2100-2200 lbs.

Posted By: NEVER green
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2025 at 9:08am

Two from Ohio I believe is the correct state, they both have naughty names, do quite well.

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2-8050 1-7080 6080 D-19 modelE & A 7040 R50

Posted By: 4BA_D-17
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2025 at 5:42am

There are actually three from Ohio that have 516’s in them. Two are orange and the other is industrial yellow. They pull in a class called classic super stock. There is actually another one being built right now that was a 3 charger super with a 426 in it.

Posted By: Barnyardpuller
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2025 at 12:09pm

On a somewhat related note, I stumbled across a 516 locally that I was considering purchasing to build a pulling motor. I’m fairly new to the Allis world so I was wondering, what model tractor would best hold up to the power?

Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2025 at 12:28pm

Pulling forum, so might not apply? But here’s a link to Peterson’s N7 8050.
https://www.allischalmers.com/forum/8050-n7-engine-swap_topic160189_page4.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.allischalmers.com/forum/8050-n7-engine-swap_topic160189_page4.html

Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2025 at 6:36pm

The pulling "world" is pretty broad. A D-21 chassis/rear end is good to about 2500 HP if done right. After that the snap ring to the ring&pinion bearing cup breaks the rear end housing. I doubt a 210/220 would be any better. You can get 2500 HP out of a 426 engine with multiple turbos, so it depends what CLASS you intend on playing in.

Posted By: Barnyardpuller
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2025 at 7:46pm

Preferably leaning towards our local “hot farm” class. 10,500#, single turbo, a-pump max, 3k rpm limit and unlimited cubes. I’m hoping to start it in our “stock” (pretty much only a speed limit that keeps it fair) and work up to hot farm. Unfortunately in my area a D21/220 is out of my price range if you can even find one and 200/210 is up there too

Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2025 at 8:06pm

Can't help. At 10,000 lbs you want a D-21/210-220, not a 200. You're going to be running against 10/1466's at that weight.

Posted By: tbran
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2025 at 8:51am

Why not check the rules - what is allowed as an AGCO heritage replacement engine - if the Detroit or Cummins is allowed you can do a nearly 50 year leap in technology and access to many new and used performance parts at a fraction of the cost. That is unless nostalgia is a motive. Probably none of the competition will be running what came in the tractor model originally. Food for thought.

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When told "it's not the money,it's the principle", remember, it's always the money..