1945 G model Carburetor
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Topic: 1945 G model Carburetor
Posted By: cabinfourus
Subject: 1945 G model Carburetor
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2025 at 11:48am
First, let me say thank you, for allowing me to be a part of this community. My background is automotive technician. I am a retired Marine and line tech. A friend has a 1945 G Allis and Chalmers tractor with a TSV 13 carburetor on it. He had the engine overhauled a year ago, and it ran great for about an hour. He said it started acting as if it was running out of gas, and has not run correctly since. I removed the carburetor, took it completely apart and cleaned it. I ordered a kit from Amazon to rebuild the carb, and replaced everything in the kit. While tearing down the carb, I noticed a foam type screen on the adjusting screw on the bottom of the carb. The kit didn't have this in it, and I can't find a picture anywhere showing it. I put the carb back together, leaving out the torn screen, and we still have the same problem. I adjusted the air/fuel mixture screw on top to one and half turns out. The bottom adjuster, I set at one turn out. The plugs keep fouling with fuel. I am not sure of the firing order, but the two middle plugs are always covered in fuel and the two outside are not. The tractor tries to run but will not. Puffs of dark gray smoke come from the exhaust when trying to start it. Can someone tell me what the foam type screen is for? The bottom adjuster seems very loose, and it seeps fuel from it. Could this be a timing issue also? Any help is highly appreciated.
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Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2025 at 8:14am
The TSV Carbs as small as they are have their issues. From lose throttle shafts to deteriorating bowl floors, the white metal these things are made out of are what causes most of the problems. That loose enrichment assy, another issue with the white metal. Threads get worn out. I've found if they're not to worn out, a little pipe dope on the threads and then thread the assy in till its snug not tight will sometimes remedy that problem assisted with a gasket. Not sure what foam thing yer' talkin' about. Firing order on a G is 1-3-4-2. Number one being at the Radiator. Check the floats to see if they are taking on fuel. Pull em' out, and give em' a little shake. If you hear sloshing, the floats are sinking and its flooding. If you have Champion Spark Plugs in that engine, take them out, throw em' away and install either 295 Autolites or NGK plugs. HTH. Steve@B&B
------------- 39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife
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Posted By: Hubert (Ga)engine7
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2025 at 9:08am
Welcome to the Forum and thank you for your service. Steve is the best on carburetors and ignition for the vintage Allis tractors. He gives great advice and he also can do parts and rebuild if needed.
Hopefully things are improving around Asheville. It was quite a mess when I was up there at the end of October.
------------- Just an old country boy saved by the grace of God.
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Posted By: mdm1
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2025 at 10:44am
Since the engine is in backwards #1 is at the rear of the tractor. Crank pulley end. If the foam is on the threaded exterior part of the adjusting screw was it put there to maybe stop the screw from turning like a spring would? Just a thought
------------- Everything is impossible until someone does it! WD45-trip loader 1947 c w/woods belly mower, 1939 B, #3 sickle mower 1944 B, 2 1948 G's. Misc other equipment that my wife calls JUNK!
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Posted By: DSeries4
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2025 at 10:21am
Gs were not around in 1945. 48 Was the first year. I would check the gas tank for any crud and debris that may be in the bottom - might need a good cleaning.
------------- '49 G, '54 WD45, '55 CA, '56 WD45D, '57 WD45, '58 D14, '59 D14, '60 D14, '61 D15D, '66 D15II, '66 D21II, '67 D17IV, '67 D17IVD, '67 190XTD, '73 620, '76 185, '77 175, '84 8030, '85 6080
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Posted By: mdm1
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2025 at 11:13am
Both of mine did the same thing. I did as you have no luck. Changed the condensor for a capacitor (I know same thing) from a friend. Problem solved. Sometimes we chase fuel problems when it's electrical.
------------- Everything is impossible until someone does it! WD45-trip loader 1947 c w/woods belly mower, 1939 B, #3 sickle mower 1944 B, 2 1948 G's. Misc other equipment that my wife calls JUNK!
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Posted By: cabinfourus
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2025 at 9:43pm
Let me list everything I have done-
Rebuilt the carburetor completely. Set the main jet to one full turn out, and the air mixture to 1.5 turns out. Replaced the fuel tank and cap. Replaced the points and condenser. Set the points to .020 Replaced the coil. Rebuilt the wiring harness. Someone had wired the coil backwards, and left the output relay unhooked. Replaced spark plugs and wires. It has been upgraded from 6v to 12v using a GM 1 wire alternator. The engine was completely overhauled at a local tractor repair shop.
It will start up and run, but die after a few seconds (10-20). I pulled the plugs after flooding the engine and found the number 3 cylinder soaked with fuel and the other three dry, but all the plugs were covered black. Since rebuilding the wiring harness, it will now start and run a few seconds.
I'd like to check the timing, but I am not sure where the timing mark for number 1 TDC is located. Is it on the front crankshaft pulley somewhere?
Thank you all so much for the advice. This thing is whipping me, but I refuse to give up!
******Update****** I found the timing mark on the crankshaft pulley. A vertical line. Should it be at 6 o' clock when number 1 is TDC?
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Posted By: cabinfourus
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2025 at 9:46pm
You would be correct. My fingers were ahead of my brain. It is a 1952-53 model.
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Posted By: cabinfourus
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2025 at 9:48pm
That is exactly what I am thinking. Someone had wired this thing up backwards. The coil's positive lead was connected to the points, and the negative to the switch. At this pint, I am willing to try anything.
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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2025 at 10:38pm
Rebuilt the wiring harness. Someone had wired the coil backwards, and left the output relay unhooked.
what does that mean ? "relay" ? Is this a resisitor for a 6v coil to work on 12v ?... if you have a 12v coil, you dont need a resistor..
------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Posted By: cabinfourus
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2025 at 12:24pm
In the service manual, it is listed as the cutout relay.
I was able to get it running today, but it is popping back through the carburetor sporadically. I tried adjusting the main jet, and it fouled the plugs pretty bad.
What is a good starting point with the main jet? I have read that a half turn to a full turn is best, but not sure.
With the electrical system being upgraded to 12v, do I need to connect the cutout relay?
Thank you so much for the help. The guy who owns it is 80, and he hasn't heard it run in over a year. He has been working his garden by hand, and a tiller. I am just trying to help him out with it.
I apologize for any misleading terminology.
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Posted By: HudCo
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2025 at 1:03pm
Posted By: HudCo
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2025 at 1:08pm
Posted By: mdm1
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2025 at 4:08pm
The cut out is for the 6v charging system. If it has a 12v alternator no need to connect. I started my initial carb adjustment at 1 1/2 turns out.
------------- Everything is impossible until someone does it! WD45-trip loader 1947 c w/woods belly mower, 1939 B, #3 sickle mower 1944 B, 2 1948 G's. Misc other equipment that my wife calls JUNK!
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Posted By: cabinfourus
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2025 at 12:11pm
Everything looked good on the leak down test. I did check the valve adjustment and they are in spec.
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Posted By: cabinfourus
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2025 at 12:20pm
I thought that relay was not needed now.
So, here is where I am now.
It will start up and run for 3-5 minutes beautifully. After the 3-5 minutes, it acts like it is running out of fuel and shuts off. I pulled the fuel line, and it is getting a great supply of fuel. I have been through the carburetor twice and know it is all good.
I did install a ballast resistor between the ignition voltage wire and + coil post. When I check the voltage, I have battery voltage on the wire coming into the resistor and 8.3 volts coming out of the resistor. Do I even need this resistor installed? I only did it because this tractor was originally 6v system, and I didn't want to overload the points with voltage. When I put my spark tester inline on the number one cylinder, it looks as if I have a weak spark. This could also be where someone wired up the coil backwards originally and did damage to the coil, couldn't it?
I really appreciate all the help with this thing. It belongs to my 80-year-old neighbor and I am doing this work for free.
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Posted By: mdm1
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2025 at 1:03pm
Here is a wiring diagram for a 1 wire conversion on a G. Check your wiring against the diagram. Forget about the original 6v system. The points and condenser are fine. Did you replace the coil with a 12v coil? Get a standard or blue streak condenser or maybe try the old one. Quick enough to do.
------------- Everything is impossible until someone does it! WD45-trip loader 1947 c w/woods belly mower, 1939 B, #3 sickle mower 1944 B, 2 1948 G's. Misc other equipment that my wife calls JUNK!
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Posted By: cabinfourus
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2025 at 1:14pm
Thanks, I will go over the wiring again this evening.
It did have a new 12v coil but someone wired it backwards, so I ordered another one and will replace it tomorrow.
To update- If I take the plugs out and clean them, let it sit overnight, it will run for a few minutes but shuts off and will not restart. It tries, but won't. I am running out of options with this thing.
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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2025 at 3:39pm
Probably coil or condenser getting hot and opening up.....use 12v coil and no resistor
------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Posted By: ekjdm14
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2025 at 4:35am
If going over the points mentioned yields no improvement, I'd also check for any intake leaks by spraying brake cleaner or similar around the manifold gaskets while it's running. Try it when cold and as it gets warm and is about to die, could be a gap opening up with temperature change.
Would definitely get rid of the ballast resistor as a priority, unlikely to have damaged the coil running it reverse polarity.
------------- Stuck Farmer
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Posted By: cabinfourus
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2025 at 1:03pm
Fingers crossed, I hope someone smarter than me can verify my find.
These G tractors use the TSV 13 carburetor. It seems there are different versions though. Some use a power jet, idle jet, etc. The carburetor I have has been taken off and cleaned a few times, and I believe someone left the power jet out by mistake. Can someone verify that the 1952 G model carburetors have the power jet in them? And, if so, where can I get one?
My carb has the adjustable main jet on the bottom of it, with the main nozzle meeting it on the inside, but there is a gap between them, and this is why I am thinking the power jet is missing.
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Posted By: cabinfourus
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2025 at 1:07pm
I tried a new coil and condenser, with no luck.
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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2025 at 7:52pm
Allis G carb....
https://www.carburetor-blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/TSV-13.pdf
------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2025 at 7:54pm
#49 the POWER JET is made into the PLUG...... What is plugging that hole ?
------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Posted By: HudCo
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2025 at 9:49pm
do a leak down test its a 75 year old flat head and the valve seats are in the block so thats the last thing to get rebiult , probley never been ground
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Posted By: cabinfourus
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2025 at 9:15am
This is what mine looks like.
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Posted By: cabinfourus
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2025 at 9:24am
To be honest, I am not sure if they have or not. The engine was overhauled a year ago, but I don't know what all was replaced. I did a leak down test @ 100 psi, and everything was good. I will do another one Monday just to eliminate this.
Thanks
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Posted By: cabinfourus
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2025 at 3:10pm
This is my actual main jet and nozzle. I found a diagram that says there is supposed to be a power jet in-between these two. If so, mine is missing.
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Posted By: cabinfourus
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2025 at 3:16pm
I circled it in red.
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Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2025 at 4:38pm
Posted By: cabinfourus
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2025 at 8:39am
Does it have the wrong carburetor on it? I have thought this from the start.
Can someone confirm the firing order for me, and the cylinder order starting from the fan?
Firing order 1342 Cylinder order from fan 1234
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Posted By: cabinfourus
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2025 at 8:45am
I did another leak down test and it was good. No air coming from anywhere at all. I used 100 psi.
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Posted By: cabinfourus
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2025 at 8:49am
I just ordered a capacitor for this thing. Who knows at this point.
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Posted By: cabinfourus
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2025 at 9:00am
So, since the other day, this little tractor has not run at all. It would run for a few seconds, but act like it was running out of fuel and die. I pulled the carburetor back off and completely went through it. I even replaced the main jet with a new one. I think it is time to slow down, get back to basics, and see what I am missing.
When setting the timing, I put the number one cylinder to top dead center, and the mark on the crank pulley is at 6 o' clock position. I then adjust the distributor to where the points are starting to open on number one. I did notice the points are not contacting evenly. I plan to fix this today. After setting the timing, I set the points to .020. I OHM tested my plug wires and they are all good. I adjusted the carb main jet to one full turn out, and the air mixture to 1.5 turns out. I am waiting on new 295 spark plugs, and a capacitor for the points. I performed a leak down test, compression test, and checked the valve adjustment. All three were good. If this little tractor doesn't run this time, I plan to set it on fire. (j/k)
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Posted By: cabinfourus
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2025 at 9:06am
Is the number one cylinder located just behind the radiator, or near the crank pulley?
Are the cylinders in a 1234 order starting from the radiator?
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Posted By: JoeM(GA)
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2025 at 11:07am
first, that is a replacement aftermarket carb,
as for firing order-
------------- Allis Express North Georgia 41 WC,48 UC Cane,7-G's, Ford 345C TLB
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Posted By: cabinfourus
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2025 at 2:17pm
So it would seem, someone has wired it backwards. I will rewire it today, and post my results.
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Posted By: cabinfourus
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2025 at 4:53pm
I want to update this thread, in case anyone else runs into this problem.
Someone had the timing out and the plugs wired backwards. Now, each time I pull the starter, she starts up and runs beautifully.
Thank you all for the help and info, and I promise you, I won't be working on anymore in the future. I will stick to cars. lol
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Posted By: Lynn Marshall
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2025 at 6:21pm
John, most cars have engines too and they can all have their own set of issues to make them run properly. After going through the Allis engine,I think you can now appreciate the simplicity of their design and if you had to do it again, it would be much easier to diagnose an get running. Remember the Allis edict,KNOWLEDGE IS POWER! Glad you got her going.
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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2025 at 6:27pm
Each company has their own timing and cylinder order - fire... 1243, or 1324 are common.. Dont feel bad.... its easy once you know WHAT your working on !!
------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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