HD-6 sized tractor:
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Topic: HD-6 sized tractor:
Posted By: Codger
Subject: HD-6 sized tractor:
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2025 at 7:52am
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How common was the HD-6EP tractor? I don't recall seeing one myself, but probably did on the grounds all those years ago. ------------- That's All Folks! |
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Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2025 at 11:43am
| Not that many 0f the industrial dozers on the west coast. At that time contractors just bought a Cat. They took abuse better than any of the others. Not meaning they were that much better, just more service and parts availability. Owner operators could get along fine with them. As well as the Ag models where around in much greater numbers. |
Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2025 at 4:37pm
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Dealer network and the change of parts warehousing for dealers shrunk and limited both sales and service . Machines were not the problem but support network became the fly in the ointment . ------------- Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something. "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful." |
Posted By: Ian Beale
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2025 at 2:14am
| A friend said years ago that (in Oz) if Allis had the parts supply of Cat that Allis would have been Cat |
Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2025 at 6:34am
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Around Peoria, Caterpillar is the predominate maker of equipment used in the area. There is quite a bit of Deere also. I never could figure out growing up in Springfield, IL during my young adult years why there were not many A-C dozers, (or equipment for that matter) working the immediate area. Many Caterpillar, and International-Harvester with those two being the main marques. Even the mines I worked at were mostly I-H machines; several being less than 20 miles distant from the A-C crawler/tractor plant. ------------- That's All Folks! |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2025 at 8:11am
| At one time State Of MO preferred the Allis Machines, right up into the FA Days, mainly for pricing. Major Dealer was Baker Eq. in Mexico MO back in the Day. Mertens Quarry and Stone also enjoyed them for some reason, had a Dead Line in the late 80s of Dozens of the old AC and FA machines. |
Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2025 at 8:51am
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I have family in Mexico, MO and remember Baker from years gone by. Remember them being an A-C dealer but never had any dealings myself.
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Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2025 at 2:06pm
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Garrison Dam in N Dakota was built with AC - Sweeney Brothers were the dealer there and also had dealership in MN Around here there were several contractors that were strictly AC machines but as the parts dried up so did buyers . I bought my first AC machine in 1972 , and over time had 4 different dealers for parts . I looked at one machine with serial # X4 - then talked to sales and was told they didn't support machine as only place to get parts was Italy - prototype unit A few months later I bought a HD5B from a guy near here - he had bought the # X4 machine - never heard if he used it much as he went out of business ------------- Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something. "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful." |
Posted By: Ian Beale
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2025 at 4:01pm
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IIRC Allis took over the Vender dozer operation in Italy. The 1970 Oz Power farming annual lists these as "Non-current dozers" - 150H 57 drawbar H P, 1964-65 250H 92 drawbar H P, 1968-69 350H 135 drawbar H P, 1969-70 A friend once looked at "A HD 16 that wasn't quite a HD 16"
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Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2025 at 1:54pm
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Friend found one of these in his locale that is mine for scrap price. Supposedly ran well till allowed to set a couple of years and then upon attempting to start, snapped the frozen hydraulic head in the AMBAC, (American Bosch) injection pump. As we all know, new parts are NLA so the dozer is not serviceable without major mechanical work to replace the injection pump with a Roosa-Master, find another pump, or locate repair parts. Don't know anything else about it other that what I'm told as have never seen the tractor. It's small enough it could ride along on a trip up to Chicago for my buddy who is a trucker with a Landoll trailer. Supposedly the blade is chained up and the tractor pushes and pulls easily so would winch onto a trailer. ------------- That's All Folks! |
Posted By: wjohn
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2025 at 2:08pm
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Might as well save it if it has potential or at least has good parts on it. You know all of us on here will encourage you, but it's not our money, ha. ------------- 1939 B, 1940 B, 1941 WC, 1951 WD, 1952 CA, 1956 WD-45 |
Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2025 at 6:16pm
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It will be on it's way here next trip up. "Barn Fresh" as I understand it and always kept out of the weather. Owned many years by same party and replaced with a large Case CTL. Used in a cattle farm operation and always dealer maintained. No idea to condition but u/c is much newer than tractor and I'm told it was very reliable till this fuel issue. I'd never seen an "EP" series tractor this small myself hence the reason for the thread. I even asked and was assured it is a "full" power shift unit. It will be nice to have something just a bit smaller than my 11-B tractor for lighter work, and can pull it with a one ton pickup. ------------- That's All Folks! |
Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2025 at 9:44am
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Reap what you sow: A fresh reman and never used hydraulic head fitting this dozer is enroute to me. There is a back story to this I'll not share online but the part is "gifted" to me as a reciprocal action. ------------- That's All Folks! |
Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2025 at 8:53am
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Tractor is scheduled for pickup on Wednesday afternoon, 4/23/2025. I should see it either Sunday, or Monday the following week as the hauler has a pickup in Chicago and I'm right in line with the route. Trusting the extreme reliability of USPS in delivering packages timely, I should see the hydraulic head on Monday, 4/21/2025. We'll see. I'll get the pump and hydraulic head up to the fuel shop shortly thereafter to hopefully make the tractor operational again. ------------- That's All Folks! |
Posted By: HD6 Merv
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2025 at 11:39pm
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Alot of HD6 s were sold in new zealand. Including several HD6EP. They were available from 61 to 74. Have had abit to do with them. Even own one. Transmission is same as HD7G. 2f 2R full powershift and twin disc torque converter. Rear end is same as a wet backend HD6E. Last of them have a 88Y serial number. You are very lucky finding a new American Bosch hydraulic head. Make sure it is off a 6000 engine. Early HD344 Buda engine have a different head. All HD6EP ran a 6000 engine, and serial numbers for 6EP start at 14484. Cheers Merv ------------- tits tyres and tracks they all cost you money |
Posted By: HD6 Merv
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2025 at 11:45pm
------------- tits tyres and tracks they all cost you money |
Posted By: HD6 Merv
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2025 at 11:46pm
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mine HD6EP 14746 ------------- tits tyres and tracks they all cost you money |
Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2025 at 6:16am
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Thanks Merv; Ending production in 1974 would support why I'd never seen one on the grounds. I'm only familiar with the 1976, 1977 timeframe and everything new was branded Fiat-Allis then. Apparently this was a line not carried over into the joint venture. I have the hydraulic head at the shop. It arrived to my surprise, "timely". Don't have the tractor as of yet but it is at my buddies place in TX in route to me sometime this next couple of weeks. The current political upheaval, (tariffs) has temporarily stalled his itinerary. The single photo I have of the tractor is very similar in appearance to yours. I don't have a serial number yet. Buddy did tell me the engine is branded "Allis-Chalmers" and I assume it is a 6000 series. Thanks for posting.
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Posted By: HD6 Merv
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2025 at 2:43pm
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Yes the HD6 line was discontinued after the 1974 merger. Thought they made from sn 25011 to 25271 in 1974 to clear out there stocks ! And these last HD6s were all badged Fiat Allis. Local AC dealer here put in a order for 80 of them, so alot of that 25000 batch ended up in new zealand. They were a very popular small crawler here. A mate has 40M25201 which is a HD6B and i have seen 40M25246, also a HD6B. Pic of HD6EP 88Y24937 which was last EP sold in nz. Local contractor near me had 3 HD6EP and they had a very good run out of them ------------- tits tyres and tracks they all cost you money |
Posted By: HD6 Merv
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2025 at 2:47pm
HD6EP 88Y24937  ------------- tits tyres and tracks they all cost you money |
Posted By: HD6 Merv
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2025 at 3:03pm
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A mate in australia, Warren Lucas has probably the biggest fleet of HD6EP in the world ! about 5 of them, 1 imported from NZ and rest from Missouri USA Another USA collector Rick Vosika from missouri has a couple of HD6EP in his collection of about 14 HD6s, amongst everything from HD3 to HD41. Pic of a HD6EP he imported to Oz from Missouri  ------------- tits tyres and tracks they all cost you money |
Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2025 at 3:24pm
Resized Merv: ------------- That's All Folks! |
Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2025 at 3:29pm
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I would say the tractor looks pretty much like this last photo. Only picture I have was inside a barn, dark, and taken from a distance so no resolution. Definitely the same style straight push blade however. Thanks,
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