Another D14 and question about belt pulleys
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Topic: Another D14 and question about belt pulleys
Posted By: rasman57
Subject: Another D14 and question about belt pulleys
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2024 at 8:25am
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This may find some of you nodding your head.... Found a pretty decent D14, my 4th.....how the heck did that happen.. YIKES! Over the last 15 years or so, I added a couple "temporary" D14's to keep company with the original 1960 loader tractor. You know the deal.... Pretty close to home (a couple hours, maybe three.), decent price, could use it for parts if needed. Perhaps a narrow front was needed for the snap coupler mower. Then an interesting one owner factory ordered 58 with no PTO, no snap coupler, no Hi/Lo, with power steering and a nice Superior loader dealer installed finds a new home with me because it has the same Superior (Chicago Mfg.) loader as my 1960. That's what I told the wife. Now, the recent acquisition, a 1959 farm chore loader snap coupler tractor was "needed" for lots of good parts, as these tractors all have power steering, and the 1960 loader tractor is leaking at the ram, lines and valve a bit. I am slowly taking the 59 apart to get to the power steering setup and squirrel away the decent wheels. Hopefully some of the other good stuff will make its way to new barns as well. It runs very strong and smooth so I have to have an extra motor, right? Real bad 3rd gear issue as it wont even engage as compared to the usual jumping out under load. Made it affordable I told the wife. I am helping the hobby and saving on expensive repairs down the road I say... meanwhile the new pickup truck sits outside the garage while a couple of 60 year old tractors get all the love. She may have a point I say..... nah, it's got power steering. So my questions..... about this 59 and the optional PTO belt pulley drive it is equipped with. First D-14 I have seen with this option. Seen lots of older tractors and my 39 B had one of course but by 1959, not very common in my area as the rear PTO was in use mostly. The drive unit is on the tractor as shown but no pulley. Did this drive unit have the capability to take both a flat belt pulley and/or a V belt narrow pulley? What is the purpose of the top hole (the open one) on the unit for? I am going to remove the complete unit... jack up the side to keep the hydro fluid mostly in, and replace with a nice delete plate I "found". Do fellas still use the pulley's or just show them? What chores or handy type operations keep them in use?   |
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2024 at 8:31am
| The "hole" is threaded and used as a push off for removing the whole assembly. Flat belt sure. V-belt, never seen one but probably made that too for a mounted corn picker fan drive?? |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2024 at 4:04pm
Had a flat belt pulley on my grandfather's D-19. It had a loader (NI, trip bucket) kilt a steer, and needed to roll it into the bucket, so I wrapped a loop of rope around the pulley, out to the steer's hind legs, tied it off, feathered the clutch with the PD in N, and rolled him neatly into the bucket! AFAIK, that was the only time I ever used that pulley... ------------- Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need! |
Posted By: Ed (Ont)
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2024 at 4:18pm
| We had a welder mounted on our WD45. It was driven by 4 v-belts. Ran it off the flat pulley. Worked well. So the welder drove off of the 4 v-belts. Up on the pulley they just drove on the bottom of the v-belts. Had enough traction but the flat pulley on the tractor had a flat belt riveted to it all the way around which worked better than running on steel. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2024 at 4:32pm
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Seen several BELT PULLEYS over the last 40 years that were setup with LONG FLAT BELTS to run a saw mill.......... Got 25 beams in my house that are covered with ROUGH CUT wood from local saw mill. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: Les Kerf
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2024 at 5:04pm
Clever!
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Ed (Ont) wrote:Posted By: only AC orange
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2024 at 5:54pm
| V-belt pulley's were available to replace the flat pulley at 1 time. Long ago, I run a hydraulic pump V-belt drive) off of the pulley drive on a WD. |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2024 at 9:50pm
| When I first got my UC in 74 it had no electrical so I made a battery frame bolted to rt side and mounted an alternator on it. Ran a V belt around the flat pulley and mounted a regulator too. Installed some sealed beams and could plow after dark. Uncles WD45 had a v belt in place of flat pulley for mounted picker fans. He even had one of those quick disconnect jobs that let you shut the fan off when not in use. |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2024 at 11:03pm
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HEY Ralph!! Been a long time! HOW did you get so many D-14's?? We can't even find them up here!!! I'm gonna be down by my sister in the first weekend in May. # still 5096? I can maybe touch base? I'll be there the 3rd & 4th for the city wide rummage sales. ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: rasman57
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2024 at 6:38am
Ted, yep and the last 2 tractors I rescued came from your State of Wisconsin, but over by where they were built of course. I try not to look now as I like sleeping in the house.  I have the loader tractor for most of my little sawmill stuff and woodlot. And a narrow front with rear mower that stays hooked up all summer. Power steering on these tractors is a must in my view, so I was lucky to find them.
Then, I was minding my own business, when along came this interesting 58 original owner non farming D14. Loader, no PTO, no hi/lo. Wonder why the fella didn't get an industrial for his money....but it is perfect for my fooling around as I work on the first one. And a parts tractor to keep things in order.... right! Steve over in New Jersey set me up with sweet 12V conversions, Petronix ignitions and new wiring harnesses for them. They never let me down and I can work on real American engineered vintage gems without a computer using my old American hand tools. I don't farm so costs are small and the work value while enjoying the "hobby" is tremendous. Same as a bunch of us I bet! |
Posted By: Mikez
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2024 at 7:28am
| Before my time but when our D17 was bought they were filling silo with flat belt driven allis chalmers forage blower. |
Posted By: kevin LA-CA
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2024 at 7:43am
Here is an example of a v-pulley in a WD belt drive. I suspect that it was for a water pump, but no way to know. Bolts right on. I cannot tell if it was machine shop modified.
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Posted By: DSeries4
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2024 at 9:05am
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I have 3 D14s as well. All of them have the belt pulley drive. The flat pulley tends to get removed if a loader gets put on the tractor. Fortunately all of mine do have the flat pulley.  ------------- '49 G, '54 WD45, '55 CA, '56 WD45D, '57 WD45, '58 D14, '59 D14, '60 D14, '61 D15D, '66 D15II, '66 D21II, '67 D17IV, '67 D17IVD, '67 190XTD, '73 620, '76 185, '77 175, '84 8030, '85 6080 |
Posted By: rasman57
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2024 at 9:12am
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Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2024 at 7:35am
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Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2024 at 4:38am
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That big a pulley would sure slow down what ever implement that you put it to. Why would you want to slow something down? ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: Ed (Ont)
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2024 at 6:58am
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That big pulley would speed up your thresher or hammer mill. Same rpm but more ft per minute. Or would it??? Gotta rethink this. Lol.
That is your drive pulley so it would speed up belt speed. Bigger driven pulley would slow things down assuming rpm stayed the same. You could run your thresher at idle but may have to get bigger motor.
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Posted By: Gary
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2024 at 7:50am
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I agree Bigger 'Drive' pulley speeds things up. Bigger 'Driven' pulley slows things down. G |
Posted By: Ed (Ont)
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2024 at 11:17am
This is my pulley with belt material riveted on. Wonder if this was factory or dealer installed? It worked well. I can’t remember if it came from the dealer like this.
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Posted By: Ed (Ont)
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2024 at 11:24am
 Another view.
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