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Topic: Diesel Prices Expected to SOARPosted By: Coke-in-MN
Subject: Diesel Prices Expected to SOAR
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2023 at 7:27am
Saudi Arabia and Russia this month each elected to extend cuts in production of heavy crude oil through the rest of the year, just as U.S. seasonal demand begins to trend up. Heavy crude oil is the base for both heating oil and diesel fuel, and through the winter months refineries have to balance production of the two distillates with, generally, whichever is priced higher winning the lion's share of production. A lack of the preferred heavy crude means refineries are working harder and processing more volume, but with less yield.
"We are running about 700,000 barrels per day more crude than we were on this day a year ago," said Tom Kloza, chief oil analyst and global head of energy analysis at Oil Price Information Service (OPIS), "but we're running almost exclusively light sweet crude, which has a low diesel yield, and we're making about 10,000 less [barrels] distillate each day. That presents a problem for now through November."
Kloza said the likelihood that the U.S. will build distillate inventories to a comfortable level by Thanksgiving "is very low," yet despite this risk few traders are willing to stock up on diesel and heating oil ahead of the winter, he added.
"There is too much backwardation in the price. Price is much lower 60-90 days out. That structure doesn't favor inventory accumulation and it sets up a repeat of last year where inventories are dangerously low coming into winter," Kloza said.
https://www.ccjdigital.com/economic-trends/article/15302366/no-national-shortage-of-diesel-fuel" rel="nofollow - Distillate inventories last year hit their lowest level since 2008 , according to the Energy Information Administration (EIA), just as diesel prices crested back over $5 per gallon. In October, distillate levels reached a low-point not seen in that month since 1982, however, a widespread shortage at the fuel island didn't materialize. The level of U.S. distillate fuel oil stock has been building since early August and is currently about 122 million barrels, about 15 million more than what was available in the trough of October 2022 before rebounding to almost 120 million to end last year.
Will there be a diesel fuel shortage?
Diesel inventories are low, according to David Fialkov, executive vice president of government affairs for both NATSO and SIGMA, the trade organizations for fuel marketers and truck stops, but "the market is adjusting to get product where it needs to be as efficiently as possible. The low inventory levels leave us exposed to sudden increases in demand or decreases in supply," he added. "For example, if a major refinery shuts down for a period of time, the cause for concern could increase.”
A spokesperson for Love's Travel Stops told CCJ Wednesday the company sees "a potentially tight market if we have a really cold winter, but Love’s will continue to leverage (Love's subsidiaries and fuel haulers) Musket and Gemini to keep locations stocked as best as possible."Pilot Company Vice President of Supply and Distribution Ted Brennan said Pilot feels confident "that we will be able to maintain supply to our stores despite low distillate inventory levels," adding Pilot Company has a resilient supply chain with diverse capabilities "including global fuel sourcing and a vast trucking fleet that enable us to adapt and remain a reliable source of fuel. We are aware that domestic and global diesel inventory levels are lower than average due to a variety of factors and anticipate the U.S. distillate market could potentially see further tightening from September through November. Pilot Company is prepared to mobilize our resources accordingly to maintain a steady supply of fuel for our customers and guests.”
TravelCenters of America declined to comment for this story.
If there is a big fluctuation in diesel prices Kloza said it may take place between Thanksgiving and Valentine's Day. If winter is cold, a lot of diesel molecules will go to the heating oil market. If it's really cold, Kloza said, some utilities might turn to diesel for peak shaving needed for maximum power.
Diesel currently fetches "an epic premium," Kloza said, of $50.67/bbl over WTI crude, so some of the bullish sentiment is baked in. If the winter is cold, Kloza said diesel could fetch $50-$100/bbl over the price of crude. "So don't be lulled by the diesel cha-cha in the next 60 days," he said. "It could set it up for a violent move come late November. The mismatch of crude for refiners (too much super-light, gasoline-rich crude) suggests lower prices for gasoline but higher prices for diesel."
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Replies: Posted By: Michael V (NM)
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2023 at 2:02pm
so many Thanks to the current administration in Washington...
gotta quit now,, or gotta go to the basement page...
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2023 at 2:33pm
I read that RUSSIA is having trouble supplying fuel to the TROOPS... They have CUT EXPORTS and using their oil within RUSSIA/ UKRAINE.... not cutting production .
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Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2023 at 3:21pm
for past couple months , diesel here WAS less than gas...
past week or so , it higher.... up to 25c/l higher...
sigh...
Maybe time to buy a Tesla semi for Ford Lightning..each get 300 miles on a charge....
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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2023 at 5:12pm
Await the Heating oil Demand in the NE US, that sends Diesel to the limits.
Posted By: Clay
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2023 at 5:36pm
LET'S GO BRANDON!!!!!!!!
Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2023 at 7:35pm
Michael V (NM) wrote:
so many Thanks to the current administration in Washington...
gotta quit now,, or gotta go to the basement page...
Saudi Arabia and Russia this month each elected to extend cuts in production of heavy crude oil through the rest of the year,
If some people can read, they don't comprehend. The only thing going on in Washington D.C. Is blocking anything and everything from getting done.
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Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2023 at 8:24am
It's time to get a President that wants to help the people of the United States and not help put money in his sons pocket. With Biden going to Michigan to support the Unios Striking all he is doing helping to sell Foreign because American cars are going to be priced out of the working mans price rang
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2023 at 2:13pm
Do not expect a settlement on the UAW deals, the Union is NOT backing off 41% raise and 32 hour workweek. Look for US manufacturer Plants to shutter or just close as Chrysler did in Fenton MO, then Offshore all US Brand machine builds.
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2023 at 6:30pm
diesel is now $5.02 US$ / US gallon here ,north of the 49th...
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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2023 at 6:50pm
jaybmiller wrote:
diesel is now $5.02 US$ / US gallon here ,north of the 49th...
I expect to see that Per Gallon here next couple weeks. That will set off general price rises once again.
Posted By: Walker
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2023 at 7:38pm
Don't forget to figure in 10% to those prices for the big guy.
Posted By: Michael V (NM)
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2023 at 3:44pm
PaulB wrote:
Michael V (NM) wrote:
so many Thanks to the current administration in Washington...
gotta quit now,, or gotta go to the basement page...
Saudi Arabia and Russia this month each elected to extend cuts in production of heavy crude oil through the rest of the year,
If some people can read, they don't comprehend. The only thing going on in Washington D.C. Is blocking anything and everything from getting done.
yea,,,I read it,, just relating to the fact we were energy INDENDPENDANT a few years ago...
Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2023 at 5:39pm
Heard one of the talking heads know it all's saying time to help the consumer and take more oil from reserve - to bolster political leverage . In other words lets deplete the National Defense Reserves for momentary relief , while curtailing new drilling , exploration , and increasing the costs - as it stimulates the economy ???
------------- Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something. "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful."
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2023 at 6:54pm
In other words lets deplete the National Defense Reserves for momentary relief , while curtailing new drilling , exploration , and increasing the costs - as it stimulates the economy ???
and thats why...
If some people can read, they don't comprehend. The only thing going on in Washington D.C. Is blocking anything and everything from getting done.
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Posted By: Tracy Martin TN
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2023 at 7:28pm
We don't kill the right people! Tracy
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Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2023 at 6:11am
Also the NDR hasn't been refilled. Of the 714 million gallon capacity, it is at 350 million now. 1/2 full because the price has been too high to refill it.
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2023 at 6:38pm
Seems all over Ive been today - all prices of gas + Diesel have dropped overnight,,,
Posted By: sparky
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2023 at 6:56pm
From my neck of the woods if gas comes down today lookout for tomorrow.
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Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2023 at 1:53am
With lite crude more gasoline is cracked out and little diesel comes off , then looking at aviation industry has a great thirst before other industries, what is left after rail takes their share - it leaves the consumer and trucking industry stuck for high prices .
------------- Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something. "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful."
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2023 at 12:57pm
most of the country is seeing stable and HIGH gas prices..
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Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2023 at 2:13pm
Gasbuddy said that winter fuel went into production September 16th and gas prices would drop
Posted By: AllisFreak MN
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2023 at 7:16pm
They've been switching from summer blend to winter blend for what, 75 years now? Yet every fall they still act like it's some big shock that blindsided them out of nowhere which causes the price to spike. It's all BS.
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2023 at 8:07pm
Five major refineries Down for Necessary repairs, fuel stocks are currently limited and driving tighter.
Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2023 at 6:46am
Michael V (NM) yea,,,I read it,, just relating to the fact we were energy INDENDPENDANT a few years ago... [/QUOTE wrote:
There reason that the United States was energy dependent a few years a go is: Just
There reason that the United States was energy dependent a few years a go is: Just after Covid hit when everybody was staying home and jets were not flying around everywhere fuel usage dropped to nearly nothing and all the tank farms were filling up with no place to store refined fuel coming through the pipelines. There was even a time when crude oil was selling below $0.00. I had one local fuel supplier that told me they would deliver on-road diesel just for the delivery charge if I took a minimum of 7500 gallons (trailer load). I borrowed a semi tanker to take advantage of that deal.
Of course now nearly everyone has gone right back to their wasteful ways, No One wants and economy car, they MUST have an urban assault vehicle, many are now flying all over the world for vacations, because they has convinced their selves They deserve it and all other forms of high fuel usage.
As when I used to deliver fuel to service stations and was approached by those complaining to me "why are gas prices so high?" there was only one answer I could give; "Just look at all the cars lined up to get gas. Why would a business lower their price when there is such a great demand?"
------------- If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere. Real pullers don't have speed limits. If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2023 at 8:57am
The FACTS are that we took more crude oil out of the ground in 2019, than we do today... SOMEBODY is pushing the AGENDA to CUT SUPPLY.
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Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2023 at 1:01pm
steve(ill) wrote:
The FACTS are that we took more crude oil out of the ground in 2019, than we do today... SOMEBODY is pushing the AGENDA to CUT SUPPLY.
That's probably true.
One of my daughters used to live in PA. When we were visiting (several years ago), many of the oil wells were sitting idle. When I asked why, the answer was that these wells were not real productive. They only pump when the price of crude is high. They weren't profitable when crude prices were low.
I suspect the same is true today. Some oil wells are much more productive than others. When the price of crude rises, these wells make money. When the price is low, there is little or no profit, so the well sits idle.
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2023 at 7:44pm
I haven;t priced farm diesel yet, but i'll have to fill my farm tank before harvest. PfffffT
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2023 at 7:25pm
Some oil wells are much more productive than others. When the price of crude rises, these wells make money. When the price is low, there is little or no profit, so the well sits idle.
Well... with the present cost of gas and diesel, those wells should be running WIDE OPEN.... its "THE AGENDA" man..
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Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2023 at 8:20pm
You seem to forget 2008 when diesel prices were over $4.70 per gallon, which would be close to $6.70 per gallon today when adjusted for inflation. Was that part of "an agenda"?
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2023 at 8:51pm
Paid $4.35/gal this afternoon for diesel. I ordered my Joe Biden voice decoder ring this afternoon, I can’t understand a word that man says. Lies, lies....he pushed electric because he is invested heavily in lithium. He doesn’t give a rats butt about the environment, batteries are a terrible pollutant, no good way of getting rid of the waste.
Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2023 at 8:55am
I was under the impression that this was a thread about diesel prices and not in the political forum. I guess i was wrong!
Posted By: dp7000
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2023 at 10:11am
Please keep in mind it’s a worldwide market. We’re a capitalist country. Oil companies sell to highest market. The US may indeed produce more oil than any other country but it’s sold worldwide. Bottleneck probably is refining. Companies reluctant to invest in new refining.
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2023 at 11:51am
US EPA have refiners here bottled up, cannot 'Improve' the refinery just repair it or have to bring into heavier assault regs on emissions. Costs for permits, for all the EPA 'Studies' to warrant build and costs get so high cannot afford. Everything Petroleum based is priced out of existence to fit a Agenda not because they kill us.
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2023 at 3:43pm
Bottleneck probably is refining. Companies reluctant to invest in new refining.
and WHY would that be ?? ........ Reread Daves post..
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2023 at 7:10am
WF owner wrote:
I was under the impression that this was a thread about diesel prices and not in the political forum. I guess i was wrong!
Good luck.
Normally a guy gets his hair blown back for a comment like that. I’m glad you didn’t though. You must live right.
Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2023 at 11:02am
WF owner wrote:
I was under the impression that this was a thread about diesel prices and not in the political forum. I guess i was wrong!
Please untangle our world so politics dos not corrupt the free market. In many ways I am not political, but on the other hand don't hide your head in the sand. I have no faith in any politician anymore, other than they will line their own pockets first. AND I MEAN ANY, even down at the very local level.
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2023 at 11:43am
Oil prices dropped 5 bucks a barrel yesterday- experts expect less travel in the next few months-- where do they come up with this ? Less travel?