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Topic: De-scaler
Posted By: AC720Man
Subject: De-scaler
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2023 at 10:19pm
So I was looking for alternatives to sandblasting my tractors. My brother Charlie suggested his de-scaler and man I like it! Would never use it on the engine but every where else it did a great job. I’m sure many of you out there use them but I am really impressed with it. Takes a big air compressor, which I thankfully have, is very loud, so I use ear muffs. But it makes short time of removing scaling and stuck paint. A few pics to follow. Just need to hit it with a scuff pad and it’s ready to go.

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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD



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Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2023 at 10:20pm


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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD


Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2023 at 10:22pm


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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD


Posted By: plummerscarin
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2023 at 10:24pm
That looks pretty good. What brand are you using. Mine doesn't seem to work that well


Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2023 at 10:31pm
Charlie said he got it from Harbor Freight, it’s a comb de-scaler/air chisel. Barrel changes out for each attachment.

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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD


Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2023 at 10:32pm
The first picture is de-scaler only, second picture is after de-scaler and quick abrasive pad.

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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD


Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2023 at 10:33pm


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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD


Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2023 at 10:35pm


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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD


Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2023 at 10:36pm


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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD


Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2023 at 10:39pm


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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD


Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2023 at 10:43pm
The wheels took 5 minutes in the 1st picture , 7 min on the 2nd one, Far from done, but I just wanted you to see how quickly it works. I think I found my alternative

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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD


Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2023 at 10:48pm
Keep in mind, it’s not ready to paint yet. Just showing what this thing does.

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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD


Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2023 at 10:52pm
I just noticed The de-scaler it laying on the rear end housing in the first picture.

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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD


Posted By: plummerscarin
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2023 at 6:28am
I see it now. View from phone so pictures are small. I have the inline version and it worked well for about 20 minutes. After all that how do you plan to prep for paint? My understanding of refinishing is if old paint sticks after what you've done so far, its solid enough to paint over?


Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2023 at 7:06am
AC720man, Great job! Yes, it's great for "hard to reach places." Can't wait to see how your tractor paints. Thanks for sharing photos.
I've been using descaler to clean up older gravity wagon boxes for repairs/painting. On the thinner gauge sheet metals (14-16gauge), it will quickly expose trouble areas where rust has totally compromised metal(top/bottom). In areas where previous owner allowed grain/debris to collect in the floor valleys or base of door, it's needles will gently vibrate rust away, leaving pinholes/stress cracks that require patching.


Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2023 at 11:59am
The second picture where I hit it with a sanding pad is close to being ready to primer. The old paint that is in the pores is fine too leave as it is stuck well and will help give a smoother finish. The scaler needles are too big to get in the tiny pores. I’m ok with that. The work that I have done to this point including the frame rails took around 2 hours. Frame rails will need a sanding pad and they will be done. Again, this is not going to be a show tractor, just making her look nice while she works on our farm. I have made a lot of repairs to make it a much better D17 than she was before.

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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD


Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2023 at 12:05pm
The wheels will be removed to finish those once I get it in the paint shop and get it on jack stands.

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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2023 at 12:37pm
Rob, are those rims new ?  Tires look VERY GOOD also !! 

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Like them all, but love the "B"s.


Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2023 at 8:02pm
Steve the wheels and tires were on it when I bought it. Tires are 90% and the rims are in great shape. I did paint the rims last fall. Front rims have a lot of pitting so I’m unsure what I will do on those. I may repair them or just order new ones depending on price. She will get 2 new tires up front.
Was able to spend some time this evening running the drill and scuff pad. Scuffing the engine, mainly the valve cover the best I can will be next. Won’t be long before she is ready for etching primer.

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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD


Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2023 at 8:04pm


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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD


Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2023 at 8:12pm


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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD


Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2023 at 8:13pm


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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD


Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2023 at 8:14pm


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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD


Posted By: Tim NH
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2023 at 8:15pm
Your work does look good Robbie. I've been doing that for along time now. Makes sand blasting parts way faster too. You should be wearing a respirator. Dusty work, and there might be lead in the paint.
  Tim


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1950 WD 1959 D14 1955 WD45 1976 7000 B 207


Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2023 at 8:20pm


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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD


Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2023 at 9:03pm
For sure Tim, respirator, safety glasses, and ear muffs are required. It will take about 2 seconds of use with a de-scaler and you will chuck the ear plugs and reach for full ear muffs. Lol, it’s loud
Glad you and Ray made it the the show, a little too far for me to come.

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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD


Posted By: HudCo
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2023 at 9:21pm
i have been using a ingersol rand needle gun that bought about 35 years ago sure does work good foor some things and on the rought cast like thatin the hard to get to spots , your tractor is looking good,    i havent got a chance to start my d17 d restoration


Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2023 at 6:10am
I've often wondered this. In spots that aren't sandblasted and there is a little surface rust. WIll the rust come back throguh the paint. When I pained one 12 years ago I sandblased everything to make sure there was no rust to come back.

I'm not a pro so what do the pro's say?


Posted By: Oldwrench
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2023 at 6:29am
Pardon my ignorance here, but what exactly is a descaler?  I see these needle guns, but I have never used one. Is that how you got the paint and scale off?  Can you give a few more details of how they work and how you get into all the cracks and crevices.  The results look great, and it sounds easier than paint remover or sandblasting.  I've just never used one or see one used before.


Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2023 at 7:43am


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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD


Posted By: HudCo
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2023 at 7:55am
mostly a tool that welders use but as you can see it has many other uses the needles are hit or pushed just like a air chiesel  you can get air chiesel atattechments or just dedicated ones the short stroke higher speed air chiesels work better for this than the longer stroke harder blow


Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2023 at 8:08am
This particular version has 19 needles that act like miniature hammers? I guess that’s how I would describe the process. Takes 90 psi from a good size air compressor to operate for extended use. Just hold the tool against what you want to remove paint from and pull the trigger. Quite fun to operate really, it knocked off paint quickly. I do not put pressure against the tool and the tractor. I just allow it to float along. Best results are when the tool is facing straight on and not at an angle. Do not use on sheet metal! You will have a lot of dents to fill.
Most of what you see where the work is done is dust. A good wipe down will remove a majority of it. Etching primer does a great job of sealing the metal to prevent rust as well as treat what little bit is still there. I have never had a issue of lifting of paint from the surface or rust coming back. It’s a good product that I spray on every part before it gets regular primer and paint.



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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD


Posted By: DSeries4
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2023 at 4:01pm
I like the needle scaler.  I have used it on my 175 and 190 XT engines.  You have to strip down the outside of the engine to get everywhere (I do that already, so no problem).  haven't had any problems.  It does not interfere with gaskets or seals like sandblasting can.


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'49 G, '54 WD45, '55 CA, '56 WD45D, '57 WD45, '58 D14, '59 D14, '60 D14, '61 D15D, '66 D15II, '66 D21II, '67 D17IV, '67 D17IVD, '67 190XTD, '73 620, '76 185, '77 175, '84 8030, '85 6080


Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2023 at 7:03pm
Originally posted by Allis dave Allis dave wrote:

I've often wondered this. In spots that aren't sandblasted and there is a little surface rust. WIll the rust come back through the paint. When I pained one 12 years ago I sandblased everything to make sure there was no rust to come back.

I'm not a pro so what do the pro's say?

I'm far from a pro, but I use Rustoleum Rust Reformer ( https://www.rustoleum.com/product-catalog/consumer-brands/stops-rust/rust-reformer" rel="nofollow - Stops Rust® Rust Reformer Product Page (rustoleum.com) ) on anything rusty. I use it before primer and have had very good results.

I've also used Eastwood's products, but I find they are pricier and the Rustoleum seems to be just as good.

I bought a needle scaler several years ago. I like the fact that you don't have the mess left behind from whatever sandblasting media you use. 


Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2023 at 9:21pm
I’ve used that also, but inside rims especially those that have had a repair from CC leak. It turns black as it kills the rust. I definitely do not miss the mess of sandblasting. It does a nice job but it’s hot dirty job when the temperature outside is above 70 degrees.

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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD


Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2023 at 6:52pm
The needle scaler excels at removing loose, flaking material, multiple layers of paint, and rough surfaces FAST.
 
There are some who make a restoration a full-dismantle, totally strip, mask, fill, prime, paint, sand, paint, polish, etc., job, and the end result is, for all intents and purposes, far more than what the factories ever did.  I took a needle scaler to a neighbor's 656 with sheet metal off, and everything that came loose came off, and everything that held on tight stayed on.  It got a pressure-washing, then wipe-down with solvent, and he sprayed on a coat of primer/sealer, then a color coat.  He did a bit more on the tinwork, and although it had some little spots of imperfection, he exclaimed that the end result of our work was significantly BETTER than when it rolled off the dealer's lot (he drove it off the lot, to his farm).

If a machine has seen enough years to warrant a needle-scaling, there's darned few better ways of getting it done... even if you just scale off what comes loose, and then prime and paint, it'll be a whole lot better protected from the elements, and at a much lesser effort, time, and materials cost.

I like media blasting, and when it comes to details like small parts (alternator/generator castings, etc.), that's where the serious pretty comes from.   I wouldn't put a needle scaler to cast aluminum, zinc, or magnesium... unless I wanted it to look like a golf-ball!LOL


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Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest.


Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2023 at 7:37pm
I swept up 2 full dust pans of paint debris off the driveway today. Total of about 4 hours of scaling and scuff pad on a drill to clean it up. A wipe down and she is ready for primer. I’m definitely very pleased with the results.

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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD



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