Lithium Ion batteries
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Topic: Lithium Ion batteries
Posted By: DMiller
Subject: Lithium Ion batteries
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2023 at 6:35am
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Our insurance agent makes impromptu visits now and again, was down visiting daughter and stopped by. Was glad to see did not have any LiIon batteries on charge even as do have a few. Said a client lost a shed to a lithium battery on a charger failed and caught fire. Fire Marshall inspection figured that, where stated was worse than a gasoline fire. Our insurer is considering making a change where these batteries are too high a risk value, uncertainty as to what will change. Already have a disclaimer for EVs not to be stored inside a home attached garage. Preference is in a carport away from home if have to own one. |
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Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2023 at 7:18am
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Tip of the iceberg..... wait until they figure out EVERY cell phone, smart device, laptop have them ,as wellas battery powered drills,impacts, lawn tools.,bicycles,...... great way to not pay out if there's a claim to be made. ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2023 at 7:31am
Good fiddly fargin' grief. Yeah, I'm sure nobody except a very few of the smartest of the smartest ever know this. Surely none of the engineers, scientists, and technicians at UL or working for the insurance companies ever thought of it at all.
 No one of the 10's of thousands of people working for the insurance companies ever thought of this and shared such info. Never. After all, only been around decades. |
jaybmiller wrote:Posted By: Dennis J OPKs
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2023 at 1:21pm
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The battery/EV debacle is starting to come home to roost. About 5 % are being recycled & limited plants to do so. The environmental impact is being downplayed & being swept under the rug. Meanwhile the concept is being shoved down our throats. The impact of the mining, lack of disposal will outweigh the impact of petroleum. Also, the danger of fire & injury potential to first responders. Here's a bit of trivia. Nikola Tesla actually worked at one time for Allis Chalmers in their electrical side. If interested, check him on Wikipedia.
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Posted By: BuckSkin
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2023 at 7:22am
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Last fall, we had a guy in the next county over and his buddy who had gotten big time into "Lantern Fishing" --- never done it myself --- ain't going to eat anything that lives in the earth's septic tank. Anyway, I reckon the idea is you wear waders and carry one or more super-bright lights on your belt such that the light angles across the water around you; for whatever reason, this draws in the big ones like crazy. This guy got on E-Bay and ordered up himself the latest greatest lantern-fishing light; --- you can actually search lantern-fishing light and they will come up. His buddy, who was there, said that for just a second, the light made a keen high-pitched zinging racket and then he said it looked like one of those nuclear explosions you see in the WWII movies. He said the report was deafening by huge degrees and his ears felt funny and rang for days. The victim survived, just barely; but, it completely blew away his nether regions, it burned the skin and muscle from most of that side of him, including his arm and face. He will have to squat to pee and wear one of those bags the rest of his days. The guy with him said you could see his skull plus some of his head muscles where they were still there. This has ruined my fascination with my super-bright LED head-light that has thus far revolutionized my night-time life. I still wear and use the thing, but I flinch every time I turn it on. Another guy near here got his face blown off by one of those silly vapor cigarettes. That all being said, my wife's brother-in-law struck oil gushers on his farm, several of them that blew raw crude for days, necessitating huge catch ponds be dug to capture the oil; the fumes were so heavy in the air that the bulldozer engines and semi-truck engines would get to sucking the fumes and run wild. They had to put limiters on the intakes to choke down the intake. Needless to say, this was a genuine rags-to-riches Jed Clampett story; they drug off that fifty-yr-old mobile home they had raised their kids in and built a mansion; pulled those old rusty cars and trucks around behind the barn and bought brand-new shiny stuff and covered the place with big new John Deere tractors. Then, they bored another hole --- hit salt water --- the driller guy knew a bit more than the average duck around here; and, instead of plugging the hole and calling it a loss, he sent samples to some geologist place and it tested the highest levels of Lithium they had ever seen --- needless to say, that one salt-water hole proved worth far more than all of the high-producing oil wells. and me....., I still live in the poor house and have to squeeze my nickels til old Jefferson craps in my pocket ----- be honest, without looking, you thought it was George Washington, didn't you...
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Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2023 at 12:00am
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Batteries are dangerous... they're chemical energy storage devices. Lithium Ion batteries are very high density chemical energy storage devices. One of the most popular nowdays is the 18650 3.7v cell, anywhere from 2000mAh, to up to 4000mAh. This is what they do when they get damaged: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nz5ijXcckI" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nz5ijXcckI Or when they experience a charging failure: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/OtZtdLVNWDM" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/shorts/OtZtdLVNWDM If you have a vape pen in your pocket, that's usually just one or two 18650's used to drive a nichrome wire heating element to evaporate the nicotine-laced propylene-glycol 'vape solution', and the batteries do this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7giZkjcpaA" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7giZkjcpaA The Tesla battery pack uses several thousand 18650 cells, the doors, windows, etc, are all electric. When the battery pack catches fire, those functions fail... windows won't roll down, doors won't unlock... you have to find your own exit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQxm6n7SdvE" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQxm6n7SdvE Here's an 'environmentally concious' electric bus in Paris: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r-yN8SugWM" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r-yN8SugWM Now, Lithium is very much like other metals of similar vicinity on the periodic table... one of the closer relatives is Phosphorus, and any of you who have military background are familiar with Willie Pete... hosing down a metal fire with water does an excellent job ACCELLERATING the fire. Here's Nate demonstrating a few things of the ordinary 'lithium' replaceable cells you can use for your AAA, AA, C, D, and 9v stuff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTJh_bzI0QQ" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTJh_bzI0QQ ------------- Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2023 at 4:54am
| Is another misconception as to these batteries, if they are not left on a charger or allowed to go completely dead they cannot catch fire, WRONG. It only takes getting the cells wet where any sealant flaw or fault will allow water intrusion, and too late to shut that down. |
Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2023 at 6:04am
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And people thought the old dry cells were bad when they leaked and swelled up and ruined the device they were in . Remember back when I wasa kid we had 1 1/2 vold dry cell with the 2 serew terminal on it for starting small model airplane motors that had glow plug on top of cylinder . When they went dead found a trick of putting a couple nail holes in top and soaking battery with amonia to bring it back to life . ------------- Life lesson: If you’re being chased by a lion, you’re on a horse, to the left of you is a giraffe and on the right is a unicorn, what do you do? You stop drinking and get off the carousel. |
Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2023 at 2:45pm
| A friend here in Ohio that runs a Wi Fi service had liothum batteries bank in his basement or garage and in the middle of the night they went up in flames, he and his wife had to jump out the second story window to safe their lives, she has a broken vertabra now. |