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Topic: Milling vise
Posted By: Thad in AR.
Subject: Milling vise
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2023 at 11:46am
Anybody have an opinion?
I’m looking at old used American used Kurt $$$ and imports.
I’ve found what I believe to be an old Brown & Sharpe 6” In very good shape for a good price but with ups on top of that. It weighs 65 lbs
I’m looking at a Used Kurt 6” at a good price but $126.00 freight
And cheap imports with free shipping.
I’m also within driving distance of Grizzly.



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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2023 at 12:42pm
My mill has had a cheap 6 inch China drill press vice on it for 25 years.. Problem i have had is the DEPTH of the jaws, only about an inch, and slop in the movable jaw.... I recently ran across a 6 inch MILL vise that has jaws about 1.5 - 2 inches deep... 6 inch wide, 6 inch opening...

Dont have x-y movement or rotation.. Just bolts straight to the table.. Dont need the x-y movement since the mill does that .... Even tho this is China built, it has good quality. The movable jaw slides on a 3/4 inch rod below the clamp and acme thread screw.. Keeps everything in good alignment as compared to the old drill vice that had a lot of SLOP in the movable jaw ... I think you would be happy with any of the vices as long as the sliding jaw has a good alignment design.


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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2023 at 12:49pm
The vise i have now is similar to this picture, but mine is 6 inch... look at the alignment rod below the threaded shaft... The sliding jaw rides on that.  I think that is important .




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Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2023 at 1:24pm
The sad thing is I have an old X-Y vice here,gut wrencher to lift...you could have IF there wasn't a 'northern' boarder....



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Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2023 at 2:07pm
I have one of those China x y sliding vise on one of my drill presses.
It has a lot of movement as well.
I’ve found an old Brown & Sharpe mill vise for a good price I think I’ll buy?


Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2023 at 2:11pm
These are similar to what I want.
This is a cheap China version.
https://image.vevor.com/us%2FTQ5CJMPKQ00000001V0%2Fgoods_img-v10%2Flockdown-vise-m100-1.2.jpg?timestamp=1671087271355" rel="nofollow - https://image.vevor.com/us%2FTQ5CJMPKQ00000001V0%2Fgoods_img-v10%2Flockdown-vise-m100-1.2.jpg?timestamp=1671087271355


Posted By: thendrix
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2023 at 3:23pm
I've used both Kurt and B&S vices. Used a lot of Kurts. They're pretty hard to beat. They have a set screw right above the vice screw that let's you tighten the movable side and take some of the rock out of that side. Used to use an "off" brand called Parlec. Made very similar to a Kurt but were a little cheaper. Never had problems with accuracy. Had a little issue with repeatability if you weren't paying attention but they worked fine.

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Posted By: Tracy Martin TN
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2023 at 6:32pm
On a milling machine , I would only use Kurt or Parlec vises. The older vises are okay for hobby, but can't compete with the newer stuff. I bought 3 china copies years ago, POS , won't repeat for , every one of them is different height.Gave them away! I would rather live close to someone that owned a vise than have a China knockoff! JMHO, Tracy

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Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2023 at 10:40pm
Hey Thad,,,hold up the train of thought on the milling vise,,,I think I may have what you can use,,,lemme take a pic tamarrow and see what you think.,,,


Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2023 at 3:37am
Originally posted by desertjoe desertjoe wrote:


Hey Thad,,,hold up the train of thought on the milling vise,,,I think I may have what you can use,,,lemme take a pic tamarrow and see what you think.,,,

You’re gonna be needing one soon yourself.


Posted By: B26240
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2023 at 5:59am
Kurt is top shelf new they are in the $800 range for a 6 inch mill vice .   Depends how accurate you want our work to  be and as mentioned before repeteability if you are doing 100 parts of somthing and need a feature in the same place.  The old B&S I'm sure was a good vise in its day but i bet you will have a "lifting" issue when clamping a part. I have  a B&S vise on my shaper but it is only a hobby machine and I am aware of the issue.


Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2023 at 6:09am
Originally posted by B26240 B26240 wrote:

Kurt is top shelf new they are in the $800 range for a 6 inch mill vice .   Depends how accurate you want our work to  be and as mentioned before repeteability if you are doing 100 parts of somthing and need a feature in the same place.  The old B&S I'm sure was a good vise in its day but i bet you will have a "lifting" issue when clamping a part. I have  a B&S vise on my shaper but it is only a hobby machine and I am aware of the issue.

I think you’re correct. An old vise that was good but been used for 50 years probably has some serious wear.
Still hard to put an $800 vise on a mill for home use.
I’m watching a very nice Kurt for sale used. It appears very nice.
Then I read about people tagging Knockoffs an the good stuff and get nervous.


Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2023 at 2:16pm
 
 Hey Thad,,here is the vise I mentioned for that behemoth you gots,,,lol. It is a "no Name" as the only'ist thing I find is "No 3" cast on top of vise. It is 6" X 20" with the jaws at 4" X 2" high and in great conditions with travel of 4", The ways are in great conditions and tool os very "TIGHT"  The drive screw is tight as well. The only'ist thing I see is the PO couldn't tell when he drilled thru the work and drilled into the base,,,but don't hurt a thing. 
 Having trouble posting pics as tried several times but  don't see the green tree icon ,,,,?  WTH,,,??


Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2023 at 2:21pm
Originally posted by desertjoe desertjoe wrote:

 
 Hey Thad,,here is the vise I mentioned for that behemoth you gots,,,lol. It is a "no Name" as the only'ist thing I find is "No 3" cast on top of vise. It is 6" X 20" with the jaws at 4" X 2" high and in great conditions with travel of 4", The ways are in great conditions and tool os very "TIGHT"  The drive screw is tight as well. The only'ist thing I see is the PO couldn't tell when he drilled thru the work and drilled into the base,,,but don't hurt a thing. 
 Having trouble posting pics as tried several times but  don't see the green tree icon ,,,,?  WTH,,,??


Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2023 at 2:22pm
  
   Check out the scale on the weight of this brute,,,,,,!! Don't fret yourself none,,the vise I got with that mill arrangement 3 months ago has an almost new Kurt  6" X 16" on a swivel base on a 6" X 24" new Vevor table,,,I had to use a come-a-long to remove it from table it was soo dang heavy!! Don' got to worry bout any thieves running off with it,,,LOL....

Hopefully someone here will be able to ID this brute for us,,,ClapClap


Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2023 at 3:17pm
poor thing looks like it was on the moon for a few years ! Did it happen to 'walk out' of Area51 by any chance ??


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Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2023 at 4:12pm
Originally posted by jaybmiller jaybmiller wrote:

poor thing looks like it was on the moon for a few years ! Did it happen to 'walk out' of Area51 by any chance ??

You should see some of the ones on EBay.
They’d make this look like new.


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2023 at 4:49pm
there is a difference between OLD - ANTIQUE - PRICELESS , and Junk  Wink

all depends on who has it and who wants it !  Clap


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Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2023 at 5:26pm
Originally posted by steve(ill) steve(ill) wrote:

there is a difference between OLD - ANTIQUE - PRICELESS , and Junk  Wink

all depends on who has it and who wants it !  Clap

That’s for sure


Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2023 at 7:43pm

  Well, Thad,,don't fret none, This one IS Old, antique and maybe even priceless,,,,them two are just jealous,,,,,⬇⬇


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2023 at 8:36pm
HEA... im on your side JOe... Looks ANTIQUE and PRICELESS to me !!  Wink

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Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2023 at 8:43pm
  Thank you, Steve,,I just been way down in the weather and THEN some!!! don't mind me,,I'll be back to normal soon, (I Hope)


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2023 at 8:51pm
Looks like this... but still no name other than " #3 "......

https://www.ebay.com/itm/303786139080?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=303786139080&targetid=1263433205014&device=c&mktype=&googleloc=1016367&poi=&campaignid=14859008593&mkgroupid=130497710760&rlsatarget=pla-1263433205014&abcId=9300678&merchantid=102016505&gclid=CjwKCAiAleOeBhBdEiwAfgmXf95vYiuPnTbHxod-QRaTOCvpQChk03B3JJNxinYTvzupmsALgp9KtxoCEhIQAvD_BwE" rel="nofollow - https://www.ebay.com/itm/303786139080?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=303786139080&targetid=1263433205014&device=c&mktype=&googleloc=1016367&poi=&campaignid=14859008593&mkgroupid=130497710760&rlsatarget=pla-1263433205014&abcId=9300678&merchantid=102016505&gclid=CjwKCAiAleOeBhBdEiwAfgmXf95vYiuPnTbHxod-QRaTOCvpQChk03B3JJNxinYTvzupmsALgp9KtxoCEhIQAvD_BwE



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Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2023 at 9:39pm
That is a Brown & Sharpe #3 FLANGED milling vise...
The handle was made from a broken-off JH Williams vise.

It's a quality vise... notice- two guide slots, and an oil lubricator point.

If you disassemble and clean the B&S, stone off any protruding nicks from the travelling slots, clean up and oil or replace the leadscrew bushings, refit the pieces to proper clearance, and replace the jaws, you'll have AT LEAST the equivalent precision and grip of anything new.  If you make it extra-snug, you'll beat it.

LIFT up is a result of the movable jaw fitment being too loose.  Insufficient grip is either from same, or having loose or worn out jaws.

The biggest failure of any milling vise, is caused not by the vise, but by the operation.  Always cut into the NON-MOVABLE jaw... not across the work laterally, not into the movable... that's where the vise's best strength is.

Second failure, is blaming the vise, when there's unsecured non-used axis... if you're making cuts, any unused axis will react, and even a slight movement will cause the cutter to 'hog in' or deflect, even break... or if it doesn't, it'll leave you with a wierd cut.

I've got several Kurts, several B&S, some smaller British vise (it IS nice) and a Kearney&Trecker that is about 10" x 10", and weighs around 130lbs.  Generally speaking, a strong vise can be measured by how well it holds things to the ground... ;-)


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Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2023 at 4:03am
Originally posted by desertjoe desertjoe wrote:


  Well, Thad,,don't fret none, This one IS Old, antique and maybe even priceless,,,,them two are just jealous,,,,,⬇⬇

Joe the only thing I’m fretting is how to get that big hunk of steel to Arkansas? And and and neither of us drop that on out toe.


Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2023 at 6:41am
Looks like Joe has a dang good old vice to me.  


Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2023 at 6:45am
Originally posted by Tbone95 Tbone95 wrote:

Looks like Joe has a dang good old vice to me.  
I think so too.
I’d sure like to make it to where he doesn’t have to move that around anymore. Cept one more time


Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2023 at 8:48am
Originally posted by Tbone95 Tbone95 wrote:

Looks like Joe has a dang good old vice to me.  

  THANK YOU, TBone!!!!
I felt like it was as I bought it at an estate sale of an old Blacksmith in The Alien Town bout a year ago,,,,,I was too late at the Estate sale for any of his other stuff,,,mainly cause No one else could carry this heavy sob out the door,,,,!!!LOL


Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2023 at 9:16am
  Hey Dave Kamp, many Thanks for ID'ing this brute for us,,,,I felt it was a quality piece as it is well built and has lasted an awful long time and has had very little use. I did not show very good pics as both jaws are almost cherry (whoops, can we say that here?) The only'ist thing I can throw sticks at is the operator must of been far sighted as they did drill thru the work a few times and into the btm of frame but not near enough to affect it's effectiveness or longivity,, If I can bail out of bed this pm I;m go to post office and see bout a flat rate box for this brute,,,,,


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2023 at 9:20am
joe ... since the holes are a VISUAL problem and not a STRENGTH problem, you can clean out the holes with a burr and fill them with JB weld and sand smooth.. I have done that and it helps the LOOKS 100%... and the JB is about the same color as sandblasted steel.

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Like them all, but love the "B"s.


Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2023 at 9:27am
Originally posted by desertjoe desertjoe wrote:

  Hey Dave Kamp, many Thanks for ID'ing this brute for us,,,,I felt it was a quality piece as it is well built and has lasted an awful long time and has had very little use. I did not show very good pics as both jaws are almost cherry (whoops, can we say that here?) The only'ist thing I can throw sticks at is the operator must of been far sighted as they did drill thru the work a few times and into the btm of frame but not near enough to affect it's effectiveness or longivity,, If I can bail out of bed this pm I;m go to post office and see bout a flat rate box for this brute,,,,,

One of my old drill presses has holes all over the table. I need to try this.
I bought my first drill press in 1994. I was fairly young then some years later I bought a drill press vise. Neither of them have one single hole drilled in them.
My other drill press I bought used with no Motor. The table on it was full of holes.


Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2023 at 6:29pm
Originally posted by steve(ill) steve(ill) wrote:

joe ... since the holes are a VISUAL problem and not a STRENGTH problem, you can clean out the holes with a burr and fill them with JB weld and sand smooth.. I have done that and it helps the LOOKS 100%... and the JB is about the same color as sandblasted steel.


I've done that... and I've had machines with holes drilled elsewhere that I didn't want, and I fixed 'em in other ways... like... find an appropriate sized tap, tap it for threads, red-loctite thread in a screw, saw it off 1/8" proud, then give it a quick 'kiss' with 4" grinder and flapdisk... then paint! ;-)

Battle scars happen, particularly with vises.  It's like...  us... as we work, we wind up with cuts and bruises, scrapes and scars... missing toes, chipped teeth...  but unlike machines, we can't be carefully worked back into pristine condition, we're just condemned to be ugly curmudgeons overweight with experience, and shops full'a tools we never use, right? LOL


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Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2023 at 8:23pm

   HMMmmmm,,,, Dave Kamp and Steve,,,,,y'll are giving me some ideas , you are,,,,!!


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2023 at 8:27pm
most of your "HOLES" see to be on the top of the movable jaw  !!  You can fill them, then PAINT and no one will know... Normally the holes are between the jaws in the frame rails... that area is not painted, but the JB fills in well.

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Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2023 at 10:43pm

  Hey Steve,,you and ole Dave gave me some great ideas,,,,ole Thad ain't gonna recognize this vice when he opens the box,,,,,,WinkWinkLOL

 And,,and,,,he gonna be ready to fight someone that wants to borry it,,,,,Wink


Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2023 at 6:17pm
Hey, Old Tony just posted another great, and fun video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncbJkz1zHOI" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncbJkz1zHOI


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Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2023 at 11:35pm
  Well,, you guys take a gander at this tool and tell me if ole Thad might like it now,,,,,? Just goes to say,,,a little amount of elbow grease will do wonders with good quality tools that have suffered some abuse,,,,.
 That JB Weld will work wonders and will also hide a multitude of sin.,,,,WinkWink
 Only'isr thing is now to figure how to get this heavy sob into Thad's hands,,,,just weighs 53 pounds,,!! Don't believe I'm gonna send USPS,,,,LOL

CHIT,,can't get it tp load the pics,,,chit,,!!


Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2023 at 4:28am
Text me the pics. I’ve learned how to load them from my IPhone.
You could always haul it up here. I’d even take you to lunch at Sauced.


Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2023 at 4:59am
Learned years ago to
Situate spacers under the worked piece, a scrap of leftover steel or aluminum even wood or plastic, sacrificial just to prevent holes in sensitive tables or equipment.


Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2023 at 12:12pm
 OK, Gents I been doing an fbi on all the 
how to's on the web and since I have a new IPhone 14 Plus,,,it IS different than my old IPhone 8 and takes a somewhat different method to transfer pics from IPhone to PC,,BUT, BUT,,,"NOT" to transfer to the ICloud as I do not like the idea of having my pics on that cloud because it establishes a "line" from it to your PC, ,,,. SO, I wanted my pics to stay on my hard drive where I can then transfer to my External hard drive at my leisureClap




Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2023 at 12:16pm


Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2023 at 12:17pm
Originally posted by desertjoe desertjoe wrote:



Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2023 at 12:39pm
Appears an old Milton


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2023 at 12:48pm
WOW......... thats PURDY !!  Clap

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Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2023 at 3:37am
Wow that looks too good to use.
Purdy.


Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2023 at 5:46am
 Well, I Thank yee, Guys,,,!! That JB Weld is super great stuff ain't it?,,Clap Don't have an idee how old this tool  is but the ways are perfect  and just as tight as a youn,,,,er,,,never mind!!Wink  You can spin the jaw handle with one finger just as slick as,,,,well,,there I go again,,,,LOL It does have a tiny lube hole for the jaw screw and wonder if there was ever a oil chingas there? I may try to machine a press fit plastic plug or maybe brass to keep trash out of that spot,,,?
 The weight of this thing is really impressing me cause you DO NOT want to have to move this behemoth more than once a year,,, 56 Lbs of heavy iron!! Now,, getting it to ole Thad is next challenge,,,,,Clap


Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2023 at 7:14am
Nice cleanup, Joe!

In a typical shop, a guy would put a drop or two of way oil (like Vactra) in that lube point, and a little on it's ways and leadscrew... mebbie every time or two that they oiled any nearby machine's manual lube points.  They'd also put a little on any nearby chucks and tooling... then move on to the next work bay.  One of my (now long passed) buddies started at IH as the 'oil cart' guy- he pulled a wagon with a barrel and hand pump, refilling oil cans and topping the Bijur automatics' reservoirs... once a day, from one end of the wing, to the other, and back.  Guys on the line would stop the machine between parts just long enough for him to get in there...


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Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2023 at 6:55pm
 Well,,,seeing as I gots Dave Kamp's stamp of approval along with everybody else's,,,I'm OKAY,,,,!!! Hey Dave K,,,  Now that I'm done,,,do I get any of that money back,,,,😊😊


Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2023 at 9:12pm
Originally posted by desertjoe desertjoe wrote:

 Well,,,seeing as I gots Dave Kamp's stamp of approval along with everybody else's,,,I'm OKAY,,,,!!! Hey Dave K,,,  Now that I'm done,,,do I get any of that money back,,,,😊😊


Well, I think three orders of JB Weld might still be more expensive than a dozen eggs... LOL


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Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest.


Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2023 at 10:07pm
   Well,,talking about them EGGS,,,my chickies is still out on strike and not laying yet,,,so I had to go to Walmart to get some eggs,,,,,,,and,,,,I started to think them must be selling golden eggs,,,!!  finally picked out some extra small eggs and they was $7.49 a dozen,,,!!!  I know them chickies is going to hear from me in the morning,,,,,you just wait,,,,,,,



Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2023 at 4:08am
Joe where do you get your feed?
A friend was getting feed someplace (TSC) I believe but can’t remember? Changed feed and they soon started laying.


Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2023 at 11:50am
Had a friend that put a light on his chickens and they started laying



Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2023 at 10:17pm
Our new flock started laying about three weeks ago.  First we got one... then two... then four...

Yesterday we got 14 eggs.  Today we got 15.  There's only 16 birds...

I turn on the inside light (with a remote control) at 6:15am, and turn it off at 10pm.  Watering trough runs 24/7, so always fresh (and not frozen) water.  I keep the food bin stocked.  We go in to check the hens, turn on the big overhead light, and fill the food bin around 7:15am, and check for eggs when we get home around 5:30... I add to the food bin then, and turn off the big light... but leave the light inside the pen on 'till 10.

It's been around 34F in there for the last two days, but it was up to almost 55 several days ago.  It'll be down to 11F outside by 7am tomorrow, mid '20's Friday night, and get above freezing by 9:30am Saturday, should stay above freezing save for a slight dip below each night 'till THursday next.  Considering how they've done so far, I don't expect the upcoming variation to have any impact on egg production...


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