Repowered 8010 Tractor:
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Topic: Repowered 8010 Tractor:
Posted By: Codger
Subject: Repowered 8010 Tractor:
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2022 at 2:40pm
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Original engine let go with a bang and was repowered with a B5.9T Cummins set at 180hp. Original owner and tractor sold new at this dealership. Always serviced here also. It's in again for routine service and air conditioner work which I think is just a plugged condensor coil.   |
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2022 at 3:54pm
| More engine install pics please !!! Going to do a 7020 and where to put the AC compressor is a question I've got. Is your engines backplate just 1/2" thick ?? or is it double thick ?? Power Shift ?? |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2022 at 4:43pm
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That has to make just about the perfect tractor! I love my AC engines, but you cannot beat the little mighty 5.9L B series! ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: exSW
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2022 at 7:19pm
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Would love to see more. I should do this with my 7010. Got a 5.9 sitting here. ------------- Learning AC...slowly |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2022 at 7:46pm
| Was the original 8010engine wound up like the older 7080's ? |
Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2022 at 8:15pm
8010 had a 301 in it. ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
FREEDGUY wrote:Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2022 at 6:43am
| I'll see if I can get by today and open the tractor up for photos. Any specific areas you need to see for close up photos? |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2022 at 7:29am
| No. Just a general right and left side pics. Power Shift tranny ?? |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2022 at 5:58pm
8010 had a 301 in it. [/QUOTEThanks Charlie
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Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2022 at 7:29pm
| 8010 had the 301, but was about twice the weight of a One Eighty, 1/3 of the weight of a 190 XT- which it fit fine - in my opinion |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2022 at 8:16pm
| A bare 180 diesel weighed 6700 lbs, no weights or fluid. A bare 190 XT diesel weighed 7950 lbs no weights or fluid. Both had 18.4 rear rubber. An 8010 power shift weighed 12,600 no weights or fluid and 18.4 rubber. A 7010/8010 needs no extra fluid or weights on the rear. They are heavy enough as-is. The other two tractors had to have rear fluid to even begin to pull a plow. |
Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2022 at 5:39am
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Never had one but judging from comments, the 7020 or 8010 was pushing the limits with the 301. 426 set at 110 hp would have been a better fit. But that is just my opinion. ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
Posted By: Leon B MO
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2022 at 7:55am
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We have an 8010 power shift, we love it. It is hooked to a Hardi 650 gallon sprayer and that's all it does. It will spray close to 3000 acres this year. It uses very little fuel. It's perfect for what we do with it. Leon BMo ------------- Uncle always said "Fill the back of the shovel and the front will take care of itself". |
Posted By: coggonobrien
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2022 at 3:54pm
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Posted By: automaticdave
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2022 at 9:14am
| I've taken a bit of an intrest in this post, is this B series 5.9 cummins a 12 valve engine and is the engine that is in some of the 100 horse + case ih tractors or the dodge pu's ? thanks Dave |
Posted By: coggonobrien
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2022 at 9:21am
Truck engines are governed differently than a commercial/ag engine.
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Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2022 at 1:45pm
This engine was pulled from a 1990 Dodge D-250 pickup truck but the injection pump and nozzles were sent in for testing/calibration. I don't know what was done but can ask the owner.
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Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2022 at 2:30pm
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someone did a nice job swapping the VE fuel system to the Bosch A pump with RSV governor. The entire front cover would have had to be replaced. The VE used on the 5.9L in the Dodge pickups is indeed a variable speed governor and would work just fine in a tractor. I would have guessed they bought a complete industrial engine already equipped with the inline pump. Don't see too many A pump 5.9's out there. The A pump will bolt on in place of a VP44, though gear needs changed. ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2022 at 8:54pm
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I did speak with the owner today on this tractor and the engine was not original to the pickup truck it was pulled from. It was a reman purchased used when the original engine "let go". Something about a/the "killer" dowel pin in the original engine. No idea as to it's origins but he did nothing but drive the truck till it lost the transmission and wasn't cost effective to repair. I know I've seen the inline pump in a truck before and think it was an FL-60 series Freightliner, but it's been several years in the mid 2000's. I can find out more if wanted but he was out doing hay work today so didn't have a lot of time to talk.
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Posted By: KJCHRIS
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2022 at 9:08pm
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The inj. pump looks a lot like what was on late 1989 -> Champion 710A motorgrader using Cummins 5.9L. The Case W 14 B loader also used the 5.9L with inline pump. That should make a nice improvement in power, looks nice in the picture. ------------- AC 200, CAH, AC185D bareback, AC 180D bareback, D17 III, WF. D17 Blackbar grill, NF. D15 SFW. Case 1175 CAH, Bobcat 543B, |
Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2022 at 7:35am
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This tractor is back in for air conditioning work and I'll get the photos you were wanting. I did look at it and the engine mounting is nothing fancy with a simple "L" bracket used on the sides of the engine for the front mounting. The A/C compressor is mounted high and pretty much centered over the rocker covers at the front. I did not notice anything special about the rear mounting as it looks to be an SAE mount but is dirty so not really clear. No doubling of a rear plate for certain. I forgot to jump into the cab to see if power shift or not. I need to haul a large tractor for them Tuesday so will grab photos then.
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Posted By: DonDittmar
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2022 at 8:33am
Killer dowel pin, or KDP as it is referred too is referring to a dowel pin that drives into the front face of the block to locate the timing gear housing. The hole in the housing is open and over time the dowel pin can come loose, work it’s way out of the hole, and fall into the timing gears. When it wedges itself between 2 gears while the engine is running all holy he!! breaks loose, usually ruins the case, cover, and a bunch of gears. Numerous fixes for this and they are all simple. Some green loctite the dowel pin in, some make a washer that goes under a bolt that is right next to this dowel pin. Washer covers the hole so if the pin comes loose it cannot fall into the gear train. https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/what-is-killer-dowel-pin/" rel="nofollow - https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/what-is-killer-dowel-pin/
------------- Experience is a fancy name for past mistakes. "Great moments are born from great opportunity" 1968 D15D,1962 D19D Also 1965 Cub Loboy and 1958 JD 720 Diesel Pony Start |
Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2022 at 8:58am
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Yes those KDPs became a problem when the engine were used at higher powers in later years. I have a 89 and haven't had a problem yet 🤞. That truck has never had the pump touched and now has near 300K on it. I did the 93 engine after 250K when I pulled it to put into the Oliver. It was still tight and had not moved. That pump had also never been touched up to that point. The VE pump was used on the first 89s until the end of the 93 models. The inline P7100 pumps were used from 94 on until the common rail injection started. The KDP seem to become an issue when the 94s came out and those that played with the pumps on earlier ones. I suppose the heat cool cycles became extreme when pushed hard and caused that issue. There was a lot of coverage in the TDR magazine through out the mid 90s. Genos Garage has a simple kit with a tab to cover the end on the dowel pin. ------------- If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere. If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2022 at 12:32pm
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The P7100 was used from 94 to early 98, when the 24 Valve came out in mid 98, it was not common rail, but had the famous VP44 electronic Bosch rotary pump. The VP44 was used through 02. 2003 is when the Common rail came out on the Cummins. ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2022 at 12:35pm
Here are a few photos Dr. Allis asked for. Tractor is back in for another problem which is shown in the last couple of photos:           |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2022 at 1:38pm
| Thank you for your hard work on the pics. I see one of the starter mounting bolts is outside the bellhousing just a little, which won't take much to fix our 7020 backplate to have that feature. Hope to have our rear plate adapter done in maybe a couple of weeks to see how things fit. |
Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2022 at 5:44pm
| It appears they have traded in another AC with a repower. I'm told it is a Cat transplant so I'd think a 3116 engine. I've seen the tractor but not with the covers off so I really don't know anymore yet. I'll grab photos when in next however. |
Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2022 at 9:00am
| I stopped in this morning to get some photos of this tractor. If the one I was told was a repower, it is not. It is an 8050 series but has an AC engine installed. Looks like a 3500 series to me but I didn't look at any tags. Maybe there is another tractor also but it's not on the property. |
Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2022 at 7:52pm
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Looks like this repowered 8010 is being traded in on a new T7-275 New Holland tractor at work. They are having trouble sourcing the correct hydraulic pump for the 8010. |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2022 at 8:28pm
| Any N-series combine hyd pump can be made to fit on that 8010. |
Posted By: ryan(IN)
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2022 at 8:33pm
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I find that hard to believe. It does show the piston pump is on back order but I’m sure if could be rebuilt. The gear and gerotor pumps are rebuildable too. Shame. If agco hadn’t terminated the dealer that I work at I could tell you more but that’s what I can see looking at the public site ------------- ryan 1984 8070 FWA,1979 7060,1975 7040,1971 190,1960 D-17D,1957 D-14, 196? D-19G, 1975 5040,1971? 160,1994 R62 |
Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2022 at 8:51pm
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I will pass that along tomorrow but I think it is the owner wanting to punch out of it and not so much the dealer. I overheard service and parts talking about a pump being on backorder, but I wasn't part of, nor following the conversation at all. |
Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2022 at 7:32am
| This tractor was traded back into the dealer while I was away at harvest. Don't know why but it will be for sale once again shortly. There was some interest in it here and I'll gather some information if that still holds true. |
Posted By: 8070nc
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2022 at 2:56pm
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Is the 8010 the same pump as the other 8000s ------------- 1984 80780 1957 D14 DES 300 with 25000 engine 616 tractor |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2022 at 3:00pm
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look at the first pic Don, it's a Cummins swap with an A pump. Neat tractor for sure! ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: 8070nc
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2022 at 3:01pm
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The reason i ask is im pretty sure i know of an eaton pump that is the same pump. Can be gotten from a hydraulics shop. I have one at the shop. If the tag is still readable i can get the number if i need to ------------- 1984 80780 1957 D14 DES 300 with 25000 engine 616 tractor |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2022 at 4:09pm
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oh, silly me, hyd pump! lol! ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2022 at 7:38am
| Tractor resold for $18K yesterday. |