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Topic: Chain Saw
Posted By: 200Tom1
Subject: Chain Saw
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2022 at 12:50am
Guys FYI. I bought an 80 volt chain saw from Menard's a while back. It worked good until you put the bar into any type of bind. Then the dang chain would fly off. Chain was tight. I took the bar and chain to our local chain saw guru. I ask him to sell me a new bar and chain. He looked at the bar and measured the depth of the groove, lay'd a straight edge on it and told me there wasn't anything wrong with the bar. He them picked up the chain and studied it. He told me the chain was bent. I'd never heard of that. He must a been right, I bought a new Origin chain, we put it together and proceeded to cut a short box pickup load of wood. It never flew off once.



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Posted By: dee_veloper
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2022 at 2:29am
I've never heard of a bent chain either.      I always use Oregon chains and bars.


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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2022 at 5:29am
Chain guides can get bent, will flip off in a heartbeat once get that way, junks the chain.


Posted By: Amos
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2022 at 5:40am
I just straighten the chain when I bend one.  Usually it is on drive like that gets bent. pair of pliers will straighten them,  The chain a new saw comes with is usually the poorest quality chain you can buy.


Posted By: Hubert (Ga)engine7
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2022 at 8:19am
Thanks for the info, Tom. I have had a few to come off like that, not real pretty if the chain is not in a cut and moving fast when it decides to jump the track.

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Posted By: allischalmerguy
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2022 at 8:53pm
I have bent a chain before. And I use oregon chains.

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Posted By: 200Tom1
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2022 at 11:13pm
The chain said Origin on it, so did the bar. But the saw is made in China so who knows what it actually was. Got to use the saw quite a bit, New Origon chain seem to have solved the crisis.


Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2022 at 8:24am
Talking of chainsaws, I left a saw in the back of a pickup some 6 or 7 years ago and forgot about it because I had bent the handle on it and broke the side bracket.  Couple days ago I seen it inside the topper and wondered if it still had gas in it and it did, and didn't smell bad. Tank was 3/4 full. Despite the upper handle was off, I gave it 5 pulls and it was running. Found another handle and started using it. dang, I sure like that old Jonsered 52E... Despite the chain is worn out and will be getting a new chain soon on it. 
 Bet an electric saw wouldn't have started up after sitting that many years... and still be quieter than mine if it did run.LOL  But then it wouldn't be running on Av gas either.  Think I better switch back to that stuff again, because it didn't form any crud in the tank in all that time either.


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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2022 at 10:01am
Originally posted by JC-WI JC-WI wrote:

Talking of chainsaws, I left a saw in the back of a pickup some 6 or 7 years ago and forgot about it because I had bent the handle on it and broke the side bracket.  Couple days ago I seen it inside the topper and wondered if it still had gas in it and it did, and didn't smell bad. Tank was 3/4 full. Despite the upper handle was off, I gave it 5 pulls and it was running. Found another handle and started using it. dang, I sure like that old Jonsered 52E... Despite the chain is worn out and will be getting a new chain soon on it. 
 Bet an electric saw wouldn't have started up after sitting that many years... and still be quieter than mine if it did run.LOL  But then it wouldn't be running on Av gas either.  Think I better switch back to that stuff again, because it didn't form any crud in the tank in all that time either.
Sheesh, 5 pulls?  Must be nice!  My dang Stihl sits for a half hour and it's 10.  But there's nothing wrong with it.AngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngry


Posted By: Clay
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2022 at 1:10pm
Sheesh, 5 pulls?  Must be nice!  My dang Stihl sits for a half hour and it's 10.  But there's nothing wrong with it.AngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngry
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I have the same problem with my Stihl.


Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2022 at 2:12pm
Yah, and heaven forbid it's cold out.  I mean, after all, who cuts firewood when it's cold?LOL


Posted By: Alberta Phil
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2022 at 8:31pm
My old Stihl is 30 years old and usually starts in 3 or 4 pulls, unless it's been sitting for months, then takes a few more, but always starts.


Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2022 at 11:10pm
So... when it takes several pulls, the USUAL situation, is that the fuel pump diaphragm (the largest neoprene part in the bottom of the carb) is starting to get stiff from age, and exposure to fuel-type stuff.  Ethanol will get to 'em pretty fast, but even good gasoline/oil mix will eventually wind up with bad actors in it, as a result of chemical action between it, and the various materials the fuel has been in contact with.

On newer saws, the other issue is mixture screw settings...   The 'emmissions' aspect of design protocol force manufacturers to put 'limiting caps' on mixture adjustments (or in some cases, eliminate adjustment altogether), and one of the issues, particuarly semi-hot starts, is that the fuel mixture is too 'lean' to fire until you've pulled the cord a bunch.

The other things that will, if the saw is well-aged, is
 - crankcase seals... specifically, around the crank, and the crankcase halves.  The crankcase is responsible for generating the vacuum to draw fuel/air mix in from the carb, and PUSH the fuel/air mix into the combustion chamber.  An air leak in the crankcase totally foils that.

  - plugged exhaust screen.  The muffler has a fine wire mesh screen whose function is to catch sooty embers and hold them to prevent starting a forest fire.  Unfortunately the screen eventually becomes plugged up, and won't flow exhaust.  An engine that cannot flow exhaust, will not take in air/fuel mix to fire... hence, they don't start well... and frequently get weak on power.  Pull the muffler cover, yank that screen, and see if it'll start well without it... if it does, clean the screen.

If a chain gets jammed and bent, the drive/guide tabs inside the bar groove won't line up, and it WILL throw the chain.  Bending 'em back is a temp fix, and if done well, will oftentimes last 'till the chain teeth can't be sharpened anymore.... but realize that a maligned drive tab will frequently bind as it passes through the bar (the 'good tabs' will all be in line, and the bad one will still be slightly offset), so it'll wear out the bar quickly, and overheat it, and the bent point, rather fast.

Throwing on a new chain solves much anguish.


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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2022 at 6:22am
Well Dave, that is all very well and good. One thing I have decided I do not have time to do is putz with the chainsaw. I barely have time to cut the wood, work my job, feed 50 some animals and repair farm equipment. Since I drive by the dealer every day, dropping the saw off on Monday to be ready for the coming weekend seems a reasonable compromise. Only reason I say that, is, well, you’d think the dealer would know that too!

Which brings me to my hunch/ assumption that you mentioned about mixture and emissions. From the standpoint of a Stihl dealer, there IS nothing wrong with it. Oh well.



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